<p>Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial? right?</p>
<p>I dont know if LSE or Imperial are parts of it, but Cambridge...Definitely</p>
<p>^how can you say that Imperial and LSE aren't Ivy notch? Perhaps Zrataza confused the Ivy League Unis with HYP, which is just 3 of the 8. LSE and Imperial are definitely Ivy + calibre, and so is UCL.</p>
<p>Is Edinburgh prestigious.. I know it;s VERY EASY to get in.. but in terms of recognition.. is it good?</p>
<p>The UK's version of the Ivy League is the Russell Group of 20 major research-intensive universities. Of these, the leading ones ( analogous to your major Ivies / HYP ) are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE and Imperial College, London.</p>
<p>The others on the list are analogous to the minor Ivies.</p>
<p>depends on what you're going for.</p>
<p>undergraduate teaching in the UK, with the obvious exceptions of oxbridge, is crap.</p>
<p>Is Oxbridge an abbreviation for Oxford+Cambridge?</p>
<p>Yup you got it amb3r</p>
<p>serf-</p>
<p>"undergraduate teaching in the UK, with the obvious exceptions of oxbridge, is crap"</p>
<p>Why do you say this? Have you studied there?</p>
<p>There isn't really an equivalent of the Ivy League in the UK. The top eight or ten major research universities are probably the best approximation of the US Ivy League. Some of the Russell Group aren't top ten. For the US, the Ivy League is rather old fashioned in my opinion- it originated as an athletic association, and doesn't include oustanding institutions like MIT and Stanford.</p>
<p>nope, i haven't had first-hand experiences of studying in uk. coming from singapore means that i have a ton of friends there though. the general consensus is that there are a ton of unintelligible lecturers, little prof interaction, few opportunities for undergrads, etc.</p>
<p>take that opinion for whatever you think it's worth</p>
<p>^right. Then according to you and your friends, u-grad education @ imperial college and LSE are cr*p...</p>
<p>Sorry, but I have a VERY hard time imagining that the u-grad experience at those univs can be considered 'cr*p', even when you are comparing them to HYPSM</p>
<p>The Russell group is a bit weird. It's a club of universities that have meetings in the Russell Hotel. Some of the top schools don't want to join, such as Durham. I don't know if there s any actual criteria for joining either. So I'm not sure how meaningful this grouping is.</p>
<p>"little prof interaction"</p>
<p>Wrong. My son is an undergraduate in his penultimate year (junior year I guess ) studying law at Oxford. He has two sessions with his professors each week, that consists of 2 students and 1 professor. These last an hour each and are preceded by him sending him an essay he wrote that week so that they can see which areas he is weak in. He has more interaction with his professors than would be possible even at HYP. </p>
<p>Outside formal study time, he has been taken to drinks and invited to lunch by several of his professors, who include some of the leading experts in the world in their subfields.</p>
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<p>AND IT STILL IS. That is in fact all the Ivy League is technically. The Ivy league schools are all geographically close. Seven of the eight predate the American revolutionary war, and they are a sporting league, and that is all. Because they are all academically selective, and have some common characteristics, they are often seen as more than that, but there is really nothing that they formally have in common apart from the sporting competition.</p>
<p>The Ivy Overlap Group (the eight ivies plus MIT) meets annually to coordinate certain policies, such as agreeing common criteria for accessing students financial need. This was originally ruled to be illegal on anti-trust grounds, but overturned on appeal.</p>
<p>There are some very, very good schools (such as Stamford) that are not part of the Ivy League (for obvious sports/travel reasons) but are considered by many to be equivalent to many of the ivies in terms of prestige.</p>
<p>Given all of that, there cannot really be an analogue of the ivies in the UK.</p>
<p>^I think the OP was asking about the academic excellence, rather than the "ivies" as an athletic conference</p>
<p>Yeah, I was asking about the acdemic excellence.</p>
<p>its a little hard to compare esp since standards can vary quite drastically within the Ivy League</p>
<p>lets just say : </p>
<p>Tier 1 - Oxbridge, HYP</p>
<p>Tier 2 - Everything else u listed</p>
<p>and thats in terms of prestige, because in terms of quality of teaching and academic excellence Liberal Arts Colleges like dartmouth can be better than major research universities like HYP simply because in the latter, a large portion of the resources are channeled towards cutting-edge research, resulting in teaching assistants taking over undergrad classes and undercutting the quality of undergrad education</p>
<p>"undergraduate teaching in the UK, with the obvious exceptions of oxbridge, is crap"</p>
<p>Having posted a half-a-page answer to justify your brash statement in an earlier thread</p>
<p>I have now come to realize you are clearly a confused and pathetic kid...better get back to your books so you make it into an institution that is upto your apprently very high standards, wouldn't want to have to suffer through an entire undergraduate system which you just labelled "crap".</p>
<p>eh Atoz, pls quote serf- when u wanna respond to him...i almost tot you were flaming me</p>
<p>so Mr Champion of US Education System aka serf-, which U are u in or going/applying to?</p>