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<p>This is nonsense…</p>
<p>The effects of institutional racism still linger. This is well known and well studied.</p>
<p>[Effects</a> of Racism in African Americans](<a href=“http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+effects+of+racism+on+african+americans]Effects”>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+effects+of+racism+on+african+americans)</p>
<p>Your claim that “you weren’t a slave” is fallacious and has already been countered…</p>
<p>if you think the sat is biased against you, then don’t take it. take the act which has not shown nearly the same bias towards any racial group. while since it does test what you should have learned in high school, those who took harder classes generally do better.</p>
<p>Really? The ACT is perfect?</p>
<p>[The</a> ACT: Biased, Inaccurate, and Misused | FairTest](<a href=“http://fairtest.org/facts/act.html]The”>http://fairtest.org/facts/act.html)</p>
<p>Try again…</p>
<p>Plus when I went to high school you had no choice. Certain college required one or the other…</p>
<p>if you would have read what i actually posted, you would have seen that i agreed with you. i said slavery as a whole doesn’t justify AA today, but some of the affects of slavery does warrant things like AA in certain instances.</p>
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<p>Admission that AA is sometimes required is an admission that AA is required. That’s why it still exists in colleges.</p>
<p>Claiming that AA is required in say the workplace but NOT college is inane.</p>
<p>o please. one of the reasons in your article why males do better than females is that males are riskier and more likely to guess. i’m sorry but that is weak at best</p>
<p>Fighting about this won’t do any good. Everyone is pretty deeply rooted in their beliefs, and I doubt many people- if not anyone-will change their opinions concerning this. In the end, the court decision, and the school’s approach to this is all that matters, no matter how we all feel about it.</p>
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<p>Exactly… AA is here to stay…</p>
<p>That’s the FIRST article that popped up. There are HUNDREDS.</p>
<p>Racial bias on standardized exams is a well known phenomenon. </p>
<p>This is devolving into insults and accusations of racism and other nonsense…</p>
<p>I take a nap and u guys get to 12 pages? Damn</p>
<p>Here are a few take aways from reading this</p>
<p>The SAT is racist??? Lolwhat?</p>
<p>All the pro AA peeps keep going back into history to make a point. Live in the now.</p>
<p>I also Nvr took test prep courses and do not know anyone that did.</p>
<p>Umich will not become racist if AA goes away. That’s crazy.</p>
<p>All umich talks about is diversity this cultural counsel that. It’s pretty ridiculous.</p>
<p>And saying life isn’t fair in defense of AA is wrong on so many levels.</p>
<p>Also I was in a mostly white school. We had some black kids in my class and only one did well. What was the excuse for the others? I saw no racism EVER in the school. They could take the same courses as everyone else.</p>
<p>And finally, xSlacker, when your talking about making industries have the appropriate “balance” of races, you can not use national population ratios. You have to use the ratios of graduated members of each race. Well, that’s if you did anything at all, which I don’t think you should.</p>
<p>i am saying that AA gives preferential treatment to ALL minority students whether or not they actually deserved it. i don’t believe that Obama’s kids should receive the benefits of AA because they will have one of the best educations available but they will still receive the bump. to say that isn’t wrong is ridiculous. they are not disadvantaged. those who are disadvantaged shouldn’t be judged the same as the advantaged kids. that is not AA, that is the holistic process</p>
<p>The Supreme Court may overturn it. I think that the court will probably rule 5-4 against AA because Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito are certainly going to vote that it is unconstitutional. Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan are going to vote for it so it really comes down to Kennedy, appointed by Reagan by the way, who based on precedence will probably vote with the conservatives. So there is your 5-4 conservative victory.</p>
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<p>My assertion is not that we should do anything about that. That is merely an indication that bias DOES still exist. Even if we use graduated ratios there is still evidence of bias against minorities (all minorities)…</p>
<p>@mjmay7 - Strawman argument. The Obama children will gain admission whether they receive a bump or not… Once again you are using a fraction of a percent of a population to make an argument against the whole population gaining some benefit… Fallacious.</p>
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<p>Assuming they even hear it…</p>
<p>Despite being heavily conservative they haven’t leaned that way when deciding to hear gay marriage issues.</p>
<p>Assuming they even hear it… </p>
<p>I think so, this is a constitutional issue and the supreme court is obligated to rule on constitutional issues.</p>
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<p>They can affirm the lower court ruling by refusing to hear it.</p>
<p>^^yea but they will probably hear it because the ruling right now only applies to that circuit, not whole us. also, i just used the obama children to prove there are people who don’t deserve AA and right now AA has no way to differentiate between them</p>
<p>All it takes is 4 justices to grant certiorari for the case to be heard and you can be sure chief justice Roberts will want this heard.</p>
<p>This thing’s gonna get locked before it hits 20</p>
<p>because i don’t know how to put a link in my comment i will just copy and paste this New York Times article in its entirety.</p>
<p>The Roots of White Anxiety
By ROSS DOUTHAT
Published: July 18, 2010</p>
<p>In March of 2000, Pat Buchanan came to speak at Harvard Universitys Institute of Politics. Harvard being Harvard, the audience hissed and sneered and made wisecracks. Buchanan being Buchanan, he gave as good as he got. While the assembled Ivy Leaguers accused him of homophobia and racism and anti-Semitism, he accused Harvard and by extension, the entire American elite of discriminating against white Christians.</p>
<p>A decade later, the note of white grievance that Buchanan struck that night is part of the conservative melody. You can hear it when Glenn Beck accuses Barack Obama of racism, or when Rush Limbaugh casts liberal policies as an exercise in reparations. It was sounded last year during the backlash against Sonia Sotomayors suggestion that a wise Latina jurist might have advantages over a white male judge, and again last week when conservatives attacked the Justice Department for supposedly going easy on members of the New Black Panther Party accused of voter intimidation.</p>
<p>To liberals, these grievances seem at once noxious and ridiculous. (Is there any group with less to complain about, they often wonder, than white Christian Americans?) But to understand the countrys present polarization, its worth recognizing what Pat Buchanan got right.</p>
<p>Last year, two Princeton sociologists, Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford, published a book-length study of admissions and affirmative action at eight highly selective colleges and universities. Unsurprisingly, they found that the admissions process seemed to favor black and Hispanic applicants, while whites and Asians needed higher grades and SAT scores to get in. But what was striking, as Russell K. Nieli pointed out last week on the conservative Web site Minding the Campus, was which whites were most disadvantaged by the process: the downscale, the rural and the working-class.</p>
<p>This was particularly pronounced among the private colleges in the study. For minority applicants, the lower a familys socioeconomic position, the more likely the student was to be admitted. For whites, though, it was the reverse. An upper-middle-class white applicant was three times more likely to be admitted than a lower-class white with similar qualifications.</p>
<p>This may be a money-saving tactic. In a footnote, Espenshade and Radford suggest that these institutions, conscious of their mandate to be multiethnic, may reserve their financial aid dollars for students who will help them look good on their numbers of minority students, leaving little room to admit financially strapped whites.</p>
<p>But cultural biases seem to be at work as well. Nieli highlights one of the studys more remarkable findings: while most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or Red America.</p>
<p>This provides statistical confirmation for what alumni of highly selective universities already know. The most underrepresented groups on elite campuses often arent racial minorities; theyre working-class whites (and white Christians in particular) from conservative states and regions. Inevitably, the same underrepresentation persists in the elite professional ranks these campuses feed into: in law and philanthropy, finance and academia, the media and the arts.</p>
<p>This breeds paranoia, among elite and non-elites alike. Among the white working class, increasingly the most reliable Republican constituency, alienation from the American meritocracy fuels the kind of racially tinged conspiracy theories that Beck and others have exploited that Barack Obama is a foreign-born Marxist hand-picked by a shadowy liberal cabal, that a Wall Street-Washington axis wants to flood the country with third world immigrants, and so forth.</p>
<p>Among the highly educated and liberal, meanwhile, the lack of contact with rural, working-class America generates all sorts of wild anxieties about whats being plotted in the heartland. In the Bush years, liberals fretted about a looming evangelical theocracy. In the age of the Tea Parties, they see crypto-Klansmen and budding Timothy McVeighs everywhere they look.</p>
<p>This cultural divide has been widening for years, and bridging it is beyond any institutions power. But its a problem admissions officers at top-tier colleges might want to keep in mind when theyre assembling their freshman classes.</p>
<p>If such universities are trying to create an elite as diverse as the nation it inhabits, they should remember that theres more to diversity than skin color and that both their school and their country might be better off if they admitted a few more R.O.T.C. cadets, and a few more aspiring farmers.</p>
<p>Misplaced White Anxiety and Misread Data?
Sociologist says a columnist ‘overreached’ in drawing conclusions about discrimination against poor white students at Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>[Misplaced</a> White Anxiety and Misread Data? - Newsweek](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-human-condition/2010/07/22/misplaced-white-anxiety-or-misread-data.html]Misplaced”>Misplaced White Anxiety and Misread Data?)</p>