<p>^^because whites are far and away the most racist group by a hundredfold.</p>
<p>^Thats against the point of this overturning. The overturned act was a protection.</p>
<p>@woeishe do not even begin to try and say that there are more people who think that being black is an abomination than people saying that being gay is an abomination. the positions of almost every church in the US is that being gay is wrong, it is a sin, and they are all going to hell. since most people subscribe to religions in the US most of them think the same thing. why do you think that EVERY single time the rights of gay people are put to a popular vote they are shot down or constitutional amendments are added stripping them of those rights. gay people are the only minority that i can think of that have had their rights put to a vote by the majority(straight people). its ridiculous.</p>
<p>^ Someone hasn’t taken American History.</p>
<p>“I don’t claim it’s fair but I don’t remember anyone being promised life would be fair…”</p>
<p>Ok, then what if you get rid of affirmative action altogether. Then what if someone had your kind of experience (I certaintly would not want that to happen, this just for debate). Yet he got no additional support. Well, life’s not fair.</p>
<p>“^ For every racist act experienced by a white person, there are 100 racist acts experienced by a minority.”</p>
<p>Where’s the proof?</p>
<p>^ History.</p>
<p>mjmay - I would agree that a holistic approach would help but there still has to be something in place to ensure AA.</p>
<p>If on yearly reviews a school’s admission process is seen to be fairly equitable then by all means let them go ahead with it. In fact, if the school can show that it helped all sorts of people, regardless of race for this problem or that or whatnot I’d be ok with that.</p>
<p>If it was transparent AND if the equity stayed the same.</p>
<p>@woeishe Just the fact that you are a minority should not be considered in admissions. if you were discriminated against because you were a minority and that discrimination led to a drop in grades, not participating in ECs, ect…then that would be okay to take into consideration by a college. that is my stance.</p>
<p>also how is what i have said not congruent with american history?</p>
<p>I would like to also bring up another point. AA brings DIVERSITy! Do you guys realize that?!</p>
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<p>Why? This country is a republic. That’s what republic do. Protect the minority group from the majority.</p>
<p>If you can find a better alternative to AA that works, is equitable and makes everyone happy then do so. I’ll support that.</p>
<p>I won’t support turning back the hands of time however. I won’t support giving the advantage back to the majority…</p>
<p>^^^ I can agree with that. But the problem is most minorities have experienced discrimination.</p>
<p>We know jojo.</p>
<p>in the words of mary sue coleman,</p>
<p>“DIVERSITY
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DIVERSITY!!!”</p>
<p>the holistic process is the answer to AA. it takes everything into consideration, not just race. it helps all people who need it.</p>
<p>^ So race can be a factor in holistic processes, as long as other factors are included?</p>
<p>You don’t need AA for diversity. I have a diverse groups friends. Yet, I didn’t use affirmative action when making friends.</p>
<p>Also, is anyone going to address the point I made earlier. I live in a safe, family orientated, boring city in Michigan. My school has plenty of AP classes, 5 National Merit Finalists from this year, etc. Out of the 150 honors students, hardly any were black.</p>
<p>The black students are allowed to study, take AP classes, pay attention in class, ask the teacher for help, etc. Whether or not they choose to do so is there fault. Are you telling me these students shuold receive an extra boost for being balck?</p>
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<p>But how do you ensure that it stays that way… You can’t…</p>
<p>The main problem I see is that while the racial problem of America improves every year it’s NOT gone. Eliminating any program that protects minorities is like counting your chickens before they hatch. You can make changes sure. You can’t eliminate it.</p>
<p>Plus, Affirmative action still needs to be in effect to ensure proper balance. It’s simple to find as many white people that are poor as say Hispanic people that are. It would be even easier to suddenly admit all white poor students and no poor Hispanics and say “HEY! We are following the guidelines by admitting these poor students. They are URMs aren’t they???”</p>
<p>@woeishe the only way race should be used in admissions is that because of your race you encountered problems that significantly hindered your chance to perform(like widespread discrimination…that stuff). because if your underperforming is because of what school you go to that isn’t because of your race, that is because of where you live. your school’s performance would then be taken into consideration, not your race.</p>
<p>Well than if you’ve heard of it, then please acknowledge it and realize its benefits. Also, just because someone is an URM, DOES NOT MEAN they will get into a prestigious college. If anyone would like an real example, I’d be happy to give it</p>
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<p>Your grasp on the issues is lacking… I STILL know people that won’t be friends or date people of other races. I still know people that go to schools that lack in books or even clean rooms.</p>
<p>Your belief that it’s a simple fix just makes you sound naive…</p>
<p>^^its simple. all you have to do is not have race on the application. and are you actually accusing colleges of being racist?</p>
<p>“If you can find a better alternative to AA that works, is equitable and makes everyone happy then do so. I’ll support that.”</p>
<p>Let’s consdier this. Let’s say affirmative action is banned. Is a school (like the University of Michigan) that supported aa, going to suddenly become racist and unfair?</p>