<p>LOL… This is probably the most calm discussion on AA I’ve ever seen… :D</p>
<p>What about discrimination that helped your grades? Like not being fully accepted to groups because one is mixed, thus having more time to academics, thus higher stats? Could I use race then?</p>
<p>^^^well if it isn’t it then just becomes people attacking people and not actually debating</p>
<p>People are missing the point of the initiative, which is to make it against the law to have bias to anyone on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin, as anyone who defies that is inherently discriminatory.</p>
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<p>Maybe, maybe not. That’s to much to gamble on though isn’t it.</p>
<p>Not all schools had bad histories. Not all people are racist. If AA were to be slowly disbanded then schools would have to prove themselves. Some of course already have proven themselves…</p>
<p>Remember that during integration some schools gladly integrated and others required the National Guard to force them too.</p>
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<p>Ah discrimination on it’s face is NOT illegal in America… </p>
<p>Women have different clothing laws than men.
Sodomy is still illegal in many places despite the fact that homosexuals are people too.
Polygamy is illegal despite the fact that some people believe in it or even have it as part of their culture.
People are still fighting over whether homosexuals can marry.
Boyscuts can still ban Atheists and Homosexual members…
Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is technically still in effect.</p>
<p>Etc… Etc…</p>
<p>^^you can’t keep a policy because there may be a chance that people could be racist in the future. that is just ridiculous</p>
<p>and on the bs thing. they are a private entity and therefore can restrict its membership anyway it sees fit. we are not debating AA in private universities but in public universities</p>
<p>Your grasp on the issues is lacking… I STILL know people that won’t be friends or date people of other races. I still know people that go to schools that lack in books or even clean rooms.</p>
<p>Your belief that it’s a simple fix just makes you sound naive… </p>
<p>My grasp on the issue is not lacking. I write an affirmative action research paper and wrote a Common App essay for Michigan that cited the negative actions of Affirmative action.</p>
<p>There are people who won’t be friends with others because they are white. White students too can attend schools that lack supplies.</p>
<p>Congrats, you are complaining on something trying to help quell discrimination.</p>
<p>^^it is trying to help quell discrimination by discriminating against others</p>
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<p>Really??? That means SCOTUS reaffirming AA is ridiculous??? You CAN do that exactly…</p>
<p>You HAVE to wear a seatbelt because you COULD be in an accident.
You CAN’T drink and drive because you COULD be in an accident.
You can’t carry guns on most college campuses because you COULD shoot someone…</p>
<p>So it’s not that ridiculous…</p>
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<p>I wrote a paper about Japanese culture once. I guess that makes me Japanese now…</p>
<p>No one DENIES that white people have been subject to racism. Just not systemic, institutional racism.</p>
<p>Reverse discrimination is discrimination. Seriously, someone please look up Bakke vs. Cal. Yes, I know the outcome of the case.</p>
<p>“I wrote a paper about Japanese culture once. I guess that makes me Japanese now…”</p>
<p>No, that means you have a better understanding of Japanese culture.</p>
<p>So then what is the solution people? Do we modify AA? Do we get rid of it all together? How do we give people fair chances without any form of discrimination? How do we maintain diversity at top universities, or rather any university? Should an URM who gets into, say Stanford, feel guilty? I would love it if someone could answer some of my questions.</p>
<p>Bakke vs Cal concerned quotas, not AA…</p>
<p>Point systems and other AA systems have been affirmed by SCOTUS… It’s a non-issue…</p>
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<p>Understanding is gained by experience, not observation… You can be aware of the issues and still not understand them… I’m sure you are aware of racism, probably even learned about it one day in Black History Month, but you clearly have no understanding of the effects…</p>
<p>@ Slacker thank you for mentioning that</p>
<p>Guys… You know what. Let me explain in a nutshell what AA truly is…</p>
<p>In the military men do regular pushups and women do modified pushups. Why??? Isn’t that discrimination? Yes, BUT historically women could not compete physically with men.</p>
<p>Period. However, women can CHOOSE not to do the modified pushups but go with the regular ones.</p>
<p>At no point do the men, who have no choice but to do regular push ups, have any say over the process.</p>
<p>It would seem to me that in a country where minorities have historically not been on equal footing with the majority they should have AA and if due to whatever reason they feel they don’t need AA they can CHOOSE not to utilize it…</p>
<p>At no point should the majority, however, have any say in the process.</p>
<p>@ jojouhgogo. We get rid of it.</p>
<p>Like I said earlier, let’s say we get rid of aa at U-M, a school that’s wants diversity. Without aa, are they going to become racist of all of a sudden? Heck no. There ya go. </p>
<p>Also, everyone brings up diversity. I have had great experiences where diversity is present and where diversity is not present. Diversity can go way beyond skin color. Just because two people are of the same race does not mean that they both have similar stengths, cultures, tastes, backgrounds, social statuses, etc.</p>
<p>Very true. But I’m sure that because of AA, affluent URMs and poverty stricken URMs are able to meet each other(:</p>
<p>Imo, me not listing myself as black is like an Asian/White not taking test prep classes or hiring a private tutors when their parents can afford it and are willing to pay for it</p>
<p>Also, your race is a part of who you are. Yes there are other factors, but I is idiotic to not consider race in the application process. Aren’t we supposed to be telling the colleges about ourselves? Idk about you, but my race has influenced my life</p>