CSULB or UCSC?

<p>My GPA is: 3.87 weighted, 3.71 unweighted, although I don't think it matters.
I got into CSULB, but that is the only cal state I'm considering, and UCSC is the only UC that accepted me.
I honestly don't know which school to choose. My main problem is money. If I go to UCSC I will have to dorm and take out over $14,000 in loans per year. If I go to CSULB I can commute since it's pretty close to my house and I'll actually have about $3600 spare to spend. The campus for UCSC is obviously much better, in my opinion, although I don't know if taking out the loan is really worth it.</p>

<p>I am majoring in Mechanical Engineering at both campuses but I don't know which school would be better for it. Although I might switch majors in the future, but still in the math and science area. I am thinking about environmental science, but I think UCSC only has environmental studies, which I find odd considering it's a forest. Also I read CSULB has more than double the student organizations that UCSC have, I don't know if it's true.</p>

<p>I'm thinking that maybe after earning my associates degree, I could transfer to another school, maybe even a UC, even though I hear it is hard to transfer into.</p>

<p>I'd like to hear what you guys think, because this is a really difficult decision for me. I am really considering CSULB though.</p>

<p>$14,000 per year in loans is usually considered too much. You will need a co-signer for loans more than the federal direct loan limit of $5,500 for frosh year. This is generally not good for either you or the co-signer. The $8,500 beyond the federal direct loan limit is probably too high to realistically cover with part time work earnings.</p>

<p>Why do you have to take out so much in loans? Are your parents unwilling to pay their family contribution? If that is really going to be debt to you then go to CSULB.</p>

<p>Oops! Just saw you were actually talking about LB (I initially read “SLO.”) I don’t know anything about LB, except that its reputation, too, is good. So I’ll delete the irrelevant comments, and leave the other bit that still stands.</p>

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<p>…anyway, the difference in cost is huge, and I think you’d be very well placed there. The Cal States actually are better at feeding into companies/industry than the UCs too. So, all good.</p>

<p>^^^ @hanaviolet‌ I don’t think the OP is talking about Cal Poly SLO, he is talking about Cal State Long Beach. I believe they are quite different. </p>

<p>My family’s income is about $37,000 and my EFC said about $438 or something, so I don’t think they could help too much.</p>

<p>I applied for FAFSA and to elaborate, I am being offered $12,192 for Cal Grant A, $5,280 for Conditional Federal Pell Grant, $4,251 for Conditional University Grant. Now for the loans, $900 Perkins Loan, $3,500 Subsidized Loan, $2,000 Unsubsidized Loan, and $2,288 Parent Loan. Plus $1,500 for work study if I get the job. It’s actually $22,000 in grants(I rounded to $20,000 for some reason) and nearly $9,000 in school loans. The average cost is $34,000 a year, so best case scenario I will still have to pay $9,000-$10,000 in loans, if I take part in work study.</p>

<p>CSULB is offering $5,280 in Pell Grants, and $5,472 in State Grants, which is already more than enough.</p>

<p>Nearly everyone at school that was accepted to a UC is willing to take out huge loans to pay for school (they all have similar incomes like me), so I feel like I’m doing something wrong here. If I was accepted to UCB or UCLA I’d probably take the loans but I don’t know if it’s worth it for UCSC(not saying it’s a bad school though), just that CSULB is pretty decent and it’s all covered for me.</p>

<p>Thank all of you for your responses, I just don’t want to end up going to CSULB and regret not choosing UCSC.</p>

<p>There are pros and cons to both choices. It is true it is easier to transfer from UC to UC than from Cal State to UC (it is even easier to transfer from CC to UC… even to UCLA…) BUT UCLA did take something above 10% of those who applied from ‘other’ (not UCs or CCs) in 2013. (they took something like 28 % of those from CCs and about 21% of those from other UCs).</p>

<p>Personally, if I wanted Mechanical Engineering I’d apply to Cal and UCSB, since they are stronger in that area than UCLA. <a href=“NRC Rankings Overview: Mechanical Engineering”>http://chronicle.com/article/NRC-Rankings-Overview-/124744/&lt;/a&gt; (click on the table heading ‘s rank high’ to get them to line up by rank not alphabetically.) You can apply there as a transfer, if your gpa is high enough, it is a hard program to get into since they are rated SO high. And you can still apply to UCLA as a transfer as well. You couldn’t be sure of getting in, but if you did you 'd be paying the money for only two years, and for the school you actually want.</p>

<p>I go to CSULB and I know that there are a TON of engineer organizations. They even get their own Tshirts! I’m a Nutrition major at CSULB and we get no cool accessories. I got financial aid and I pay a difference and it’s not that bad. I think for this upcoming semester my total tuition is about $3,000. My boyfriend goes to UCLA and his tuition is roughly $4,000…per quarter! I assume all UC’s are around that amount. It’s a huge difference. CSULB has a better name than i thought too. CSULB is chill, its quiet and I think the location is great. I got in with a 3.5 GPA and half my prerequisites were not done. I recommend CSULB. I transferred there and got accepted to UC Davis but chose not to go there because of the high tuition cost. Good luck tho</p>

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<p>Would it be correct to assume that your parents are willing to continue to subsidize your food, utilities, and transportation costs while you live at home and commute, but not your room and board costs away? That seems to be common, but it does increase the cost difference between commuting from parent’s house and living on campus. The UCs and CSUs usually estimate the difference as around $7,000 to $8,000 due to assuming that living at home and commuting costs $4,000 to $6,000, but if your parents subsidize those costs, the difference you see would be between $11,000 and $14,000.</p>

<p>It does look like UCSC financial aid is worse than some other UCs, based on its net price calculator.</p>

<p>Long Beach seems like the better choice IMHO. It sounds like the chances of you switching out of mechanical engineering are pretty high since you are already actively considering it. Meaning you will change from a degree in which covering 9K/year in loans would not be a problem because of the high starting pay and demand for those majors to one in which the job prospects and starting pay may be much iffier. </p>

<p>Long Beach requires all freshmen to spend their first year living on campus unless they are living at home. You qualify for the exception, but if you can afford it I would strongly recommend living in the dorms your first year.</p>

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<p>I don’t think you will. LB’s engineering is very good. Good luck…</p>

<p>^would your parents be okay paying for room&board if you choose Long Beach?
This would enhance your experience - more opportunities to grow as a young adult (something that’s harder to do at home), to get involved in study groups and clubs, that lead to better grades and a better experience as demonstrated by an actual study of thousands of college students.
LB is a good CSU, too.</p>

<p>But if you wanted to attend UCSC, let’s look at costs and loans.
If you stick with MechE, the loans would be doable - remember that part of cost of attendance isnt paid directly to the university, but personal expenses; you can cut costs by buying used textbooks (don’t rent for textbooks that represent the foundation of your major or for textbooks you use over 2 semesters, it ends up costing more!), by limiting travel and personal purchases, etc.
So, UCSC may be possible if you can be frugal. It’ll require more juggling and more work on your part though.</p>

<p>What you pay the college directly is $28,000. You got $22,000 in grants/scholarships. That leaves $6,000 - with $5,500 in federal loans + $900 in Perkins loans, you have everything covered with $400 left aside for emergency funds. (So, in reality, you’d be taking on $5,500 in loans, the federal limit, plus a little bit of Perkins which is okay.)
Check into the Parent Loans, if they’re PLUS loans, don’t take them. Anyway I don’t think you need to take on these loans.
Then, you have $2,200 in UC SHIP - student health insurance. There are exceptions if you’re already covered but that’s a tricky one because they may decrease some part of your financial aid if you don’t take it. If you’re covered by your parents’ health insurance, you want to ask ahead of time what part of your financial aid it’ll affect -if it’s the parents loan, well, no problem, but if it’s a grant, :s. (You may want to ask this question on the UCSC forum and on the financial aid forum, as there ought to be people who know.) Also, by how much: if they cut $500 from your financial aid and you save $1,700, it’s still a good deal. If they cut $2,200 it’s not.
This is the hardest point because if you’re not exempt you need to pay and it’s not covered without loans.</p>

<p>Everything else is expenses you don’t pay the college and therefore can be altered (ie, you don’t HAVE TO spend that much money if you are frugal.)</p>

<p>First: Ask if they can increase your work-study to $3,000 - you’ll have to start as soon as you step on campus and take the best-paying job you can get OR choose a “paid to study” job (ie., library desk, residence hall desk - you help people but when no one’s there, you’re on the clock and paid but doing your homework. :slight_smile: ) if they don’t, see if there are job opportunities around campus. 10h/week is doable.</p>

<p>This amount of money would have to pay for your expenses and be saved to pay for your second semester’s books. For first semester books, you’d need to work over the summer.</p>

<p>Books: the official COA indicates that on average students spend $720 per semester on their books and supplies. Do you need to buy all-new pens, goggles, calculator, etc? The stuff you had from high school that still works is fine. All you need to buy is notebooks, on average, and those you can buy for cheap (hunt for bargains - buy in bulk for yourself and siblings, for instance). If you want to splurge, buy ONE UCSC notebook for your favorite (or least favorite = boost) subject. Those emblazoned notebooks often cost three or four times more than the regular ones but of course if you didn’t shop ahead of time, you buy notebooks on campus and pay the premium. Then, books: register for your classes early. Email the professor and ask what textbook will be used. Then, equipped with that piece of information, hunt for the cheapest version of the books. Use the college’s online list serv or FB and ask upperclass students - many will be trying to sell their books; when you walk past a used books bookstore, step in and ask. And of course there’s online. If you do that in June-July, you’ll find lots of bargains. If you find a very cheap “10/e” and the professor asked for 11th or 12th edition, email the professor and ask whether you can buy the 10th edition as long as you read the complements off the reserve’s textbook (check that the textbook is on reserve for the course.) Same thing for novels or non-textbooks you may be reading for a course: ask whether the book is on reserve for the course and read it in the library for free. If you need your own copy, buy the cheapest one (often for 1 cent online) and since the pages are different, write it down at the front of the paperback. Sure you’ll have a book with yellow pages rather than crisp but if anyone gives you grief for it (which I doubt) you can just say it’s an old favorite of yours that you’ve had for 5 years. :stuck_out_tongue: </p>

<p>Next item: $573 for transportation. Are you really going to spend that much on gas and driving from and to your house plus driving around? Expect to go just for the breaks and consciously limit the uses of your car to necessities. Walk or ride your bike for everything else.</p>

<p>Next item: $1,800 for personal expenses. This is pocket money: pizza, ice cream, toothbrush, beer, tylenol, condoms, etc. Make a budget. How frugal can you be? Eat your fill in the cafeteria. Have a budget for “going out with friends” and don’t be ashamed of it. Don’t buy beer. Bring Tylenol and other basic health items from home (I bet your mom will be glad to pack you a little ziplock bag with essentials so that you don’t cough/throw up/etc and ruining your grades and health.) Don’t buy the “dorm package” - ask for the bed’s size and bring your sheets and pillow cases. They don’t need to be brand new for college. This is where you can cut the most.</p>

<p>And that’s it. So if you wanted to try and got an answer wrt UC SHIP, it’d be doable. Not as easy as CSU LB but possible. So you really have a choice.</p>

<p>Yes my parents would take of food and utilities, but I will have to pay for transportation on my own. The metro a block away from my house takes me directly over there so it’s not too bad.
I would love to dorm at the school, but money is the biggest problem. If I don’t dorm at LB I will be debt free, but maybe I could save up to dorm the next year, because I don’t think my parents could help with that. I’d be fine with taking out loans and MYOS1634 really convinced me that it could still work out for me if go to UCSC, but I’ve told my parents before that I want to go to UCSC, but they were worried I’m going to get into huge debt so it kinda made me lose my motivation to go there. I’m going to talk to my parents again today because I only have 4 days left to make a choice.
Either way, both these schools are great, but it’s such a hard decision for me! If I do decide to transfer as a junior from LB to a UC, what do you think my chances would be of getting into UCSC as a safety(if I have great grades and participate in clubs and continue doing community service). What would make me an outstanding student to them, and how exactly does the appeal process work? Some people tell me that if I got accepted to UCSC right now, I should go right away instead of transferring in later, but I’m thinking in two years I could try getting a part time job and apply for many more scholarships so I could go debt free to college. Do you guys think this would be a good plan, or do you think it’d be better to go in right away?
Again, thanks for all your help.</p>

<p>There are fewer scholarships (and typically for a lower amount) for transfers. I highly doubt you ould graduate debt free if you transferred from LB to a UC (odds are low that it’d happen anyway but if you kept a very high GPA, developed a relationship with a professor, and got involved academically, that could work. CSU-> UC odds are something like 10%). However since you’d be instate I suppose costs would be roughly similar to what they are now so you’d save money by going to LB. Even dorming at LB should be cheaper than UCSC, right? Is there a way you could do that?
I’d attend the university you want to spend 4 years at. You have two good choices: a good CSU or a good UC. If you can transfer, good, but if you can’t you should be able to enjoy your time there so it should be a university that “fits” you. Living on campus will go a long way in making it a real transition for you. But don’t choose a college thinking you’ll transfer. </p>

<p>Roughly speaking, for loans, the federal limit is okay to take on - $5,500 freshman year. Not ideal, but doable. </p>

<p>I can’t believe I only have two days left, I’m going to talk to my counselor and see if he thinks the loans are worth it. Besides, I’d be pretty comfortable at UCSC because about 1/7th of my senior class is going there( it’s pretty ridiculous ) so we would all be going through the same problems in terms of finances. I can’t really dorm at CSULB, well I can but it is extremely close to my house, but I kind of want to get away which is my motivation for SC. They both have big advantages over the other which is making me stress so much.
Yeah and I was also thinking choosing a college with the intent of transferring sounds pretty bad, although I’d most likely fall in love with whatever school it is anyways whether it’s SC or LB.</p>

<p>If anyone was wondering I chose CSULB.</p>

<p>Thank you for the info. Can you detail your decision process because you were really torn and there were good points for both sides. It must have been hard!</p>

<p>I just wanted to add a few words, if I may. </p>

<p>If you plan to transfer from CSULB to a UC – I don’t think it’s necessary as LB is very good in engineering – then you have to be a competent transfer with all your precourses completed (with high grades) at LB to gain entry to whatever campus is your goal. </p>

<p>The reason is thus: If UC accepted whoever wanted to transfer after just one year at his/her original u choice after high school, this would be a way of circumventing the UC’s high-school admissions process. So if a student doesn’t gain access to UC from high school, he (assuming) has to bide time at his native campus and achieve high grades because he was effectively denied from high school. This is essentially true in your case. </p>

<p>The reason why UCLA has a higher acceptance rate from community college than from CSU and UC is because these CC students are the most motivated to transfer and are more likely to be able to step into their majors because they kept close tabs on their coursework and grades. It isn’t that CSU or UC transfers couldn’t attain higher acceptance rates, but these sets of students typically don’t have their courses (and grades) in order. </p>

<p>It was a really tough choice for me, I wanted to be able to finally move out and go somewhere else, like SC, but I kept talking to my parents and they just ruined my hopes of going, mainly because of money issues. They were saying that it’s not worth going into debt over and said if I really want to go I can just transfer later, although I know it’s going to be much harder in my situation. Now that I think about it my main reason for going to UCSC was just to experience something new rather than being practical and going to CSULB. If I had the money I would’ve chosen UCSC but still, CSULB is still a really good school from what I hear, but I’m not sure how they rank compared to each other. If after two years I still feel like transferring I will apply to some UC’s, and if not CSULB is still one of the top CSU’s so I’ll be fine. So I would say money was the main factor in my decision.</p>

<p>Oh and I had a question, if I actually met all of UC’s requirements, like the 60 transferable credits, would I have a decent chance of getting in, obviously not guaranteed like UC TAG. Is the reason that CSU to UC transfer rate isn’t so high, is because they don’t qualify for admission by not meeting certain requirements? I’m gonna take classes that I need to in order to meet UC requirements just to be safe in case I still want to transfer, but who knows I might decide that I’d rather stay at CSULB.</p>