CUNYs: city college vs brooklyn conservatory

<p>hey guys, i'd really appreciate any feedback anyone has to offer on this topic. i'm a junior at nyu in the liberal arts college study psychology, but last year i began a minor in music and have realized i'd really like to pursue that. i'm comfortably situated in new york and would like to stay here, but given my family's recent financial situation and my decision to change majors, it makes more sense to transfer to a CUNY as i'm a new york state resident, and even with a very nice apartment 12 months of the year and the cost of a cuny education, the cost of each year would still be much less than nyu tuition + housing. i don't mind if i lose some credits and have to spend a few extra semesters in school, as it's so much less expensive. </p>

<p>my question is - if i'm going for a bachelor of arts in music (aimed more towards a liberal arts/rounded music degree rather than a specific performance BFA track), which CUNY has the strongest music program? </p>

<p>Hunter seems most academically strong, but it didn't seem to have much of a music program compared to City College or the Brooklyn Conservatory. I very much liked the curriculum I looked at from City College, but I know Brooklyn has a nice reputation with the conservatory (I think?) and was wondering how they stacked up. </p>

<p>Thanks for any help - I'm beginning the transfer processes as soon as I'm on winter break so it'd be great to figure this out now. I've got about a 3.0 GPA due to a few rough semesters, but I have a medical reason behind the gpa drop. SATs were 1410/2140 with a high school 96% average as I think I have to include highschool transcripts..Thanks!</p>

<p>Finnie - if you’ve already been minoring in music at NYU/CAS, have you asked your profs for feedback? It seems like faculty in the metro area often teach at multiple schools, or at the very least, know the faculty at nearby schools. Since they know your skill level, they may be the best people to ask at this point.</p>

<p>Finnie, you might want to PM Opera-Mom. She is pretty well versed on music at at least one of the CUNY schools. You didn’t tell us what your instrument/voice type is- please share.</p>

<p>hey, thanks for the info - i forgot to mention my instrument/track. i play piano very well and have taken two semesters of lessons in jazz piano at nyu in addition to my former training, but i’m more of a singer/songwriter and general musician - i play guitar and sing as well. i’ve taken lessons in both, but in terms of training they are certainly secondary to piano for me.</p>

<p>for this reason, i was more interested in a BA in music that would allow me to develop my musicianship in a more well-rounded manner, and prepare me for a career more geared towards the music industry, academia, or grad school for something incorporating both my psychology major and the music major i’d hope to have. </p>

<p>part of the reason for my switch is a slight processing disorder/learning disability that has started to heavily weigh on me in the past few years since starting at nyu. actually, i initially began as a pre-med student with a psych major focus freshman year, and had straight A’s, but the manner by which i had to do it was absolutely exhausting, as i couldn’t keep up throughout the semester and every 3 or 4 weeks once midterms began, I’d stop functioning in all other manners besides studying, memorize all of the cumulative information in a series of several all nighters, get A’s, and then be so off track with sleep and health that it would be impossible to ever stay on top of the new work that came in the next few weeks… lather, rinse, repeat for 5 semesters and i’d turned into a zombie who hated school and had no idea what i even had initially wanted from school after coming to nyu as the excited salutatorian of my very competitive highschool… starting music was the most unbelievable life-saver for me when it came to school, as before last year i’d never really considered it in an academic sense and it had just been my hobby that i’d get lost in in the summers off from school. </p>

<p>i’ve had all of the psych. assessment tests done and it’s so ironic that i can’t really represent myself properly in school - my IQ was a few points below the mensa IQ range when tested at a point my psychologist said was still “far below my potential” performance due to my horrible sleep hygiene and general hazinesss immediately following my last spring semester - i’m smarter than the majority of my pre-med friends and get the same grades my studying in a few days what they’ve been trying to grasp all semester, but i simply cannot get the grades i’d need to go anywhere longterm because it’s not possible to continue in a track that requires such specific work that i can only handle in such a specific way. the last two semesters have really reflected this. my psychologist said that the reason everything’s seemed to fall apart since college is that high school was moat likely so easy for me that it was easy to overcompensate and not even realize a problem as i still always got everything done easily despite an irregular work method, but it’s simply not a successful method when there’s such little breathing room in the demands of a competitive college curriculum. i ended up in the emergency room for the first time in my life last weekend from some scary problems as a result of overexhaustion… it’s been exhausting and confusing, and i have no drive to do anything medically related anymore sadly, and as much as i love psych, i see no reason to stay at nyu for 4 more semesters and another $112,000 in tuition when there is nothing so necessary for me there anymore, especially as i’d like to begin a new major that would require an extra semester or two beyond that.</p>

<p>music is the first thing i’ve actually been energized and excited about since graduating from high school a few years ago… i’ve taken two semesters of it as a minor here with a few in depth theory classes and electives under my belt, and i’ve realized that it’s one of the few things that I love outside of school that I’ve loved every second of in an academic setting, deadlines and exams included, a feeling i’ve usually always lost once i started studying something on a college schedule while trying to juggle so much at once. oddly enough, the way i work actually works best with music, because i enjoy it so much that i tend to hyperfocus and work faster than I can with other subjects and i’m generally very musically inclined, so I take less time simply for that. i’ve always had a small amount of trouble reading music as I regrettably squeezed by my teachers with how well I can play by ear and never really had the right teacher to drill the reading into me when I was doing well - so i’m a little slower with heavy reading and tend to prefer jazz just because I have so much more fun with its large focus on improv, which I can do very well with. </p>

<p>for all of those reasons (sorry for the novel! trying to explain my transfer situation) I was really happy to have the CUNYs sitting right here in nyc when I began to consider possible options, and I’ve been so relived and extremely excited realizing that I have so many options to do this in my own way. It’s a huge relief that they are so inexpensive in comparison to what I had expected ultimately owing to NYU, so I can take my time doing maybe only 3 courses a semester for a slightly more flexible schedule/lighter workload to handle as I dont have to stress so much about how much money every semester is costing (at NYU this first semester I’ve taken with 3 courses is still the full tuition, and I’d need to spend an extra semester here too for the few credits I’d be short) and could finally give myself the slight wiggle room I’ve realized I absolutely need. </p>

<p>The BA programs looked great for that, and I especially liked the specific tracks available for the BA at city college like jazz and sonic arts, and all of the great music events going on on campus all of the time. Brooklyn seemed nice for the location, however, as it would be cheaper to live in Brooklyn, and seemed like it had a great program for theory that I think I’d still be able to explore different styles with through electives and private lessons, and could possibly eventually matriculate into the B.M if I’d like to pursue that further. I figured I would spend about another 3 years in school taking a few classes in the summer, as the general requirements that I can transfer from NYU should let me start getting down to music relatively soon. </p>

<p>I couldn’t really find any specifics for Hunter, and it seemed mostly that the music department didn’t really have a huge reputation - good or bad. Since I’m not likely going to be on the east side of manhattan and would either be living on the UWS or in brooklyn anyway, I didn’t end up putting a huge amount of effort into considering Hunter after my initial findings.</p>

<p>With all of that in mind, would you have any recommendations for me or just general advice for transferring into a music program from here? Do you think that CCNY or Brooklyn College could be healthy environments for me to accomplish the degree the way I’d need them to be? I’ve got all of my friends and I’d always love meeting new friends in my classes and would be making an effort to do so, but a nice comfortable aspect of my transferring is that I’ve got all of the same friends and steadiness of staying in the same city where they’re all settled into apartments as it is and the exact place we study during the day wouldn’t affect my already very developed relationships - I can really focus solely on school for what it introduces to me music wise, rather than worry about any social or community necessities that would be significant in a school decision I would have made 3 years ago.</p>

<p>If you were able to read all of that and have anything that you think would be helpful to consider, I’d appreciate it very much!</p>

<p>A few past threads, with not a lot of info. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/663536-does-anyone-know-anything-about-cuny-hunter-colelge-opera-music-department.html?highlight=cuny[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/663536-does-anyone-know-anything-about-cuny-hunter-colelge-opera-music-department.html?highlight=cuny&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/250799-brooklyn-college-queens-college.html?highlight=queens[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/250799-brooklyn-college-queens-college.html?highlight=queens&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>BeezMom’s advice is very sound.</p>

<p>My daughter is getting a BA in music and the music major is one of the most rigorous in her school. Lots of reading, lots of papers, complex theory, and a brutal music history course with exams involving identifying works that sometimes have subtle differences. Etc. Don’t mean to be discouraging, and I am sure you have checked it all out at the schools you are considering, but in her school, anyway, a music major would not be easier than psychology or pre-med.</p>

<p>Have you considered looking into music therapy as a focus? There are programs in music therapy popping up in a lot of schools. That field would combine some of your interests, and the improvisational skills you have would be great in interacting with patients/clients.</p>

<p>With your learning issues, and your preference for doing things your “own way,” and also financial pressures, I wonder if you would be interested in a low residency program like Goddard or Union Institute. Check them out online.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>I would be guessing here, based on only limited knowledge – but I think for a well-rounded music opportunity, you might be better going with CUNY. It’s really close to Manhattan School of Music, and I believe that there is a lot of overlap in teaching faculty because of that proximity.</p>

<p>Another benefit to CUNY - Their students are allowed to take NYU courses at CUNY prices. That might be helpful if you have a prof that you’d still like to study with.</p>

<p>finnie89:
You might consider the Aaron Copland School of Music at Queens College (CUNY): [Aaron</a> Copland School of Music](<a href=“Aaron Copland School of Music”>Aaron Copland School of Music) Good luck!</p>

<p>The CUNY Queens program is the only one I have any knowledge of…and it is in respect to vocal…My DD loved one of the teachers there and almost went so she could study with her…in the vocal department they had some very good teachers…I cannot speak for the rest of the music departments as I have no knowledge.</p>

<p>thanks for all of the opinions, i appreciate it! compmom, goddard does look like it has a very interesting program, i’d never heard of it before - i’d consider that for grad school maybe, but i really don’t have the slightest problem with heavy or challenging classes - it’s really just having the opportunity to take 2 or 3 courses, depending on what I was taking at the time, instead of 4 all together that would make the entire and complete difference for me. 3 seems to work very well for me mostly, but it’s not possible to continue like that at nyu when i have still have to pay full tuition for only 3 courses a semester, resulting in extra semesters to finish and extra money being paid full price. and to be honest, i would kind of tend to assume that music courses at a CUNY would be slightly less rigorous than the organic chemistry type courses i’m used to, making it a slightly better environment for me just for that no matter how rigorous. What the material is really affects how I interact with it too - music could even be just as rigorous as pre-med, but I’d enjoy the topics so much more that it is much more manageable when it comes down to it from wanting to continue working despite being tired out or starting to fall behind. goddard definitely is intriguing though and I’d like to keep it in mind, probably for a program after undergrad where I wouldn’t need as much structure as I still do right now.</p>

<p>thanks to everyone for the info and personal knowledge shared on the CUNYs. I appreciate hearing the different opinions and feel good thinking it would be one of the best choices for me… I think now I’m just going to spend some time between the specific programs at City, Brooklyn, and Queens and visit to feel out which seems to be the right fit for me specifically. Thank you!</p>