<p>D is admitted to Wharton only (no coordinated dual degree program), and wants to do dual-dgree with CAS. Is it possible at all? There is no coordinated dual degree program between Wharton and CAS, so can a student create her own dual degree program?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Yep. All you need is a 3.4 after your second semester, which isn’t too hard with a little bit of effort. You pretty much just choose whatever college major you want, and apply for that. It will help if the electives she chooses her first two semesters either fulfill college credits (there are some arbitrary ones that are only filled by intro level classes) or are part of what she wants to major in in the College.</p>
<p>Tons of people do duals. I should warn, however, that unless she has lots of AP credits or plans to take some summer classes (lots of people do summer classes, actually), she likely won’t be able to study abroad (assuming she wants to) and will have to take six classes some semesters. Also, some majors are easier to dual with than others (for example, econ and math). And if she happens to be interested in bio, bbb, or biochem, she can actually apply for the LSM program which is a coordinated dual degree program that makes it a bit easier.</p>
<p>Can I ask what she thinks she’s interested in? I’m not actually dualing, but I considered it several times, so I’ve talked to advisers and know a bit about it. (Instead of dualing I think I’m minoring in Japanese and English?)</p>
<p>Thank you for the answers. I have AP Calc BC Credit and even Calc 2 and possibly 3 credit with Georgia Tech, so I don’t think I will have to take much more math. Although I should if I want to go into business I’m assuming?</p>
<p>If internships freshman and sophomore year are unlikely, how would I ever get an internship junior year? I would have no experience. And I have no connections, I’m simply a lower-middle class kid from Atlanta…</p>
<p>488140, sorry if i gave the wrong impression. i’m just saying that getting an internship at a large bank or consulting firm is difficult fresh/soph year. obviously, everyone has this problem and they end up getting good internships junior year, so where do they go after their first and second years of college? a few options:</p>
<p>1) take classes at penn over the summer or do research either for a professor or get a job on campus/take classes. not only are summer classes easier (higher gpa), but it’s really fun to be at penn over the summer.
2)via pennlink or inet (ivy league internship aggregator that you will have access to)- tons of internships are available in smaller firms and large firms in specific industries. marketing/management/finance/accounting within an industry is very accessible via pennlink. just be on the lookout and be willing to wait until march/april to get it.
3) individual searches. pretty much every mid-large company you’d be interested in has a penn alumni working there. use Pacnet (alumni search tool) to look for people at specific companies. or just talk to career services and see how you should go about getting in touch with them.</p>
<p>i worked at a local library in my hometown after freshman year and at sony music after sophomore year. found a dec finance internship last summer without too much trouble. basically, employers just dont want you to do nothing for 2 summers. do something, gain some experience in some area, and you’ll be fine.</p>
<p>Actually, math past 104 (BC calc) isn’t required in Wharton, though you do take Stat for two semesters. You can go further, and that can make you more attractive for more quantitative roles.</p>
<p>Some freshmen do internships (I did one for a government commission in DC), but most study abroad or take classes. Freshman summer is your last summer that ‘doesn’t really matter’ supposedly (I was going to chill at Penn but the other internship came up. Long story). It will be hard to find a paying freshman year internship. Sophomore year is definitely easier than freshman year, but it’s still unlikely you’ll get banking or consulting internships (some, but not many). The thing is, people tend to think that’s all there is…while in reality, there are a ton of things beyond that that you can apply to.</p>
<p>You can always go on the Penn alumni network and look for alumni working in the career field you’re interested in, and email them to ask if they could possibly get you an internship at their company (easier to get if unpaid, of course–that’s why I recommend staying in Atlanta so you don’t have to pay for rent).</p>
<p>If you try hard enough, you should be able to get an internship sophomore summer, although probably not through OCR.</p>
<p>And like someone else said, companies realize it’s not necessarily the easiest thing to get internships before junior year, so if you have other good things on your resume, it’s not the end of the world. Internships earlier can be a boost, but they’re not the end-all be-all.</p>
<p>Everyone else has to deal with this as well. Really, don’t worry so much about it.</p>
<p>@whartonite11, are summer classes actually easier? I’m registered for 6 (4 Wharton) to make up for my lost semester (yay Japan…) (and yay not having to pay a la cart…for anyone reading this and considering taking summer classes at some point, remember this: take college classes, not wharton ones, because the wharton ones cost like an extra 2k per class in the summer)
Both stats (yes, I’m a sophomore who hasn’t taken stat–I was avoiding it haha), marketing, and finance. One of the stat classes that still has the same professor as last summer had a 3.44 difficulty rating on PCR…any insights on why it would be so high? Thanks!</p>
<p>Junior in HS here - what can I do to make myself as appealing as possible to Wharton for early decisions? I will possibly have an internship this summer at an Ad Agency and I want to go into Adveritsing/Marketing. Any tips or suggestions? What did you do special to get in? Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>scribbler- that’s what i’ve heard from friends who took summer classes. not totally sure but that’s generally the consensus (i havent taken summer classes before)</p>
<p>whartonkid- not sure if it’s too late to apply, but if you can get into Leadership in the Business World at Wharton (month long summer camp) it’ll help your chances considerably. i did that and i think admit rate for those kids was around 70%. an internship would definitely be great. otherwise, just solidify your EC’s that you currently have. it’s too late to do too much new stuff without appearing to be pandering to college admissions officers.</p>
<p>Hi Whartonite11, I applied to Leadership in Business World after being rejected in the final round of selection for the LEAD business program at Wharton haha. </p>
<p>How does this program help chances of getting wharton? I’ve heard from many sources that the program isn’t “demonstrated interest” and it says on the Penn website that the program is designed to allow you to learn more about the college and its programs.</p>
<p>Correct me if you are wrong though and please offer your thoughts on this program as you are more knowledgeable about admissions! ( I hope to get into the program of course – I’m a junior in highschool)</p>
<p>Internships – when people at Wharton talk about internships, they are most often referring to the i-banking and consulting internship programs that lead to full time job offers. These are typically reserved for juniors, though some firms do take a few sophs. as well. Even though you may not be in a scheduled internship program with a specified number of other interns after your frosh and soph years, you will likely be working and getting experience on your resume, which will help you in finding that junior summer internship. Frosh summer, many students go home and pick up the jobs they had in HS – retail, summer camps etc. Some will do these jobs in combination with summer courses at Penn. If you can, frosh and soph summer, it’s a good idea to get some kind of business related summer job. Atlanta is a big city with many companies; lots of students hussle and call HR departments asking if there is going to be any summer hiring in any corporate department and then send in tons of resumes to secure something. An easier route is to talk with every adult you know, asking if their company is hiring an summer help because if your resume goes in through an employee, it has a better chance of being looked at. At that stage of your career, it isn’t about whether you work for a big or small company or for a finance department, full-time, part-time, paid/unpaid, or for a whole/part summer. It is about doing a few projects/assignments for a company and getting some kind of business experience that you can discuss in your junior year interviews. Some of the best experiences my friends had were at 3 person real estate development firms because they were tasked with doing real work like creating financial models to track the firm’s projects, rather than just answering phones/filing. The people who have such experiences from their frosh/soph summer and decent grades (3.6-3.7+) stand out a bit from all of the other Wharton students participating in junior year OCR.</p>
<p>Law school – don’t let your law school plans deter you from applying to Wharton. As others have said, it is not impossible to do well at Wharton – you just have to work; as someone who is planning on law school, you will likely have to pay close attention to your GPA because unlike with OCR, your GPA cannot be overlooked in any way due to a strong interview. However, each year there are a handful of students who go to law school right after graduation and maybe another 5-10 who go after doing a stint in IB or consulting; the law school placement is very strong, despite the small number of people who go. In the long run, your Wharton degree helps you stand out as most lawyers (even corporate lawyers) don’t have any finance/business training.</p>
<p>mftflover- i’d say it’s a bit of selection bias. the kids who get into lbw are already pretty smart (they have to be in order to get selected to lbw), so their shot at getting into penn would have been high already. however, while they actively told us “this won’t help you get into penn,” there are currently 30 of us here (out of 60 from lbw), and i’d say that at least 40 kids total got in but 10 or so chose to go elsewhere. not only does it demonstrate HUGE interest in penn, but the admissions officers know that if you liked lbw and are applying ed/regular to penn, you must have felt you were a good fit for the school. you also get some really good first hand experiences/essay topics/professors to write about in apps. </p>
<p>the program really helps you find out about tons of majors in wharton, but not really in depth. it’s more about learning teamwork skills in a business setting and finding out whether you are really interested in what wharton is all about (which is mainly team cases and learning about a bunch of different facets of business). </p>
<p>if you get in, you should DEFINITELY do it. before college, it was one of the best months of my life and i made a ton of great friends.</p>
<p>Can you (or any other penn students) talk about your experience with the social life at Penn?</p>
<p>Freshman year: You’ll go to some NSO frat parties and be like AHHH FRAT PARTIES RULE. you’ll drink some jungle juice/yuengling and probably pass out. then you will do this again and again, every weekend in fact, with people from your hall. it’ll be awesome. maybe you’ll pledge a frat (i didn’t). regardless, freshman year social life will rule.</p>
<p>sophomore year: you’ll go to nso and love it cause you won’t be the youngest person anymore. you’ll get tired of going to frats by january (unless you’re in a frat). so you’ll have about 5 months of being tired of frats, but you’ll hang with your roomies and other friends so itll be fun. you’ll discover BYO’s. it will be awesome.</p>
<p>junior year: there will be an awkward phase where you/some of your friends turn 21, but the rest of you are 20 so you won’t go to bars much. you may go a few frat parties “ironically.” By fling, most of you will be 21 so itll be time to hit up the bars. that’ll be pretty awesome, especially if you go downtown.</p>
<p>senior year: you’ll be comfortable with bars at this point, and they dont get boring like frats do (bars have diversity, frats not so much). </p>
<p>basically, the downside is that much of the social life on penn’s campus is based around the frat scene. however, if you are close friends with a tight knit group of people/join a few awesome clubs, you’ll have an awesome time. by junior year, youll discover that there are tons of awesome bars in philly. you don’t have to join a frat, but if you do, it’ll be easier to have a super active social life for all 4 years (in terms of drinking).</p>
<p>i dont want this to seem pessimistic at all. penn has an amazing social scene and you’ll have a blast. it can just get old in the period between sophomore and senior year.</p>
<p>Also, to add to Whartonite’s post on social life, it’s still totally possible to have an awesome time if you’re not into drinking (or not into doing it every weekend). I have a group of friends that just doesn’t drink, and they still have a ton of fun. They’ll do potluck dinners in someone’s apartment and watch a movie (like, 10 or more people depending) and chill, or play some ridiculous long version of ping pong with multiple people or find something else really random like that. Or if you’re really nerdy and game I have friends that will do LAN parties or whatever they’re called. Oh, and there’s also good karaoke in Ktown (need to cab over though). (And then non-night things like going to brunch–lots of brunch places–or dim sum. If you live in a college house (which you will as a freshman) they have lots of social events as well, and it’s not lame to go (and if anyone tells you it is they’re just lame and not taking advantage of the resources we have). And of course there are always shows/performances and going out to see a movie. For fall semester (no spring sem for me) I think I’d say I split my weekends pretty evenly between partying weekends, chill weekends, and weekends where I was doing homework even at night…but a few of those might have been because I got bronchitis twice that semester and needed to take it easy.</p>
<p>I really don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone complain about the social life at Penn (you will get that random weekend or two where there are like only three parties, but that’s usually after a really huge weekend with more parties than you knew about). That’s one of Penn’s advantages…we really are the Social Ivy. There are so many different types of people at Penn that you can always find someone who’s interested in doing the same sorts of things you are each weekend.</p>
<p>that sounds awesome. how accessible are fakes? I unfortunately won’t turn 21 until the summer between junior and senior year, and i feel like i would get bored of frat parties even during freshman year (i’ve already been to a few, they’re not the best).</p>
<p>are philly bars extremely strict and sketchy in carding? as in could i get in bad trouble trying a fake</p>
<p>Yeah never had a need for a fake ID… usually drinking happened in friends’ houses. You will find the places that are lax on IDs if you really want to go to bars, and there certainly are those places around. And many bouncers don’t actually know the difference when you show them your ID showing your ACTUAL age (in their minds, what moron is going to try to get into a bar with an ID saying they’re under 21?).</p>
<p>I think a lot of people get worked up about internships freshman and sophomore years (I was one of those people). I never – repeat, NEVER – had an internship. Each of my three college summers, I waited tables at the Jersey shore… loved every minute of it, and made some serious money too! I had a campus job for two years, and then a political science professor picked me up for some paid research from June, 2010 until I started my full time job six weeks ago. The rest of my resume is filled with the leadership positions I hold/held on campus (i.e. not fluff ones, but positions for which I had credible references and could make serious, tangible assertions regarding exactly what I did). Not once in my interviews (there were eight) did the fact that I never had a proper “internship” come up. So in short, if you get an internship, great, but don’t worry about it if you don’t!</p>
<p>Good thread.</p>
<p>I can add some more information as well. I am a junior in Wharton and Engineering (uncoordinated). </p>
<p>I think someone asked earlier how this works if you are not in M&T. Basically, M&T means that you don’t have to take as many wharton courses. Ie, some Bus breadths are gone, no OPIM101, no risk management, less global environments, etc. Makes it easier to do wharton + BS Engineering in 4 years.
The uncoordinated means that you have to fulfill ALL the requirements of both schools. This makes the wharton + BSE combo nearly impossible in 4 years without lots of AP and summer school. I, personally, am doing wharton + BAS, which is the applied science degree. I came in with 8 credits so this is perfectly doable. In fact, my courseload so far has been 5.5,5.5,6,5,5,5 for the past 3 years.</p>
<p>I think the housing question has been answered lots of times in many different threads, so I am not going to address it.</p>
<p>OCR: I just went through it, and OP is right when he says it sucks the life out of you. This is what every single person says verbatim. My advice to you is to network and be focused. In your 5th semester, start going to info sessions. They will be mostly for full time but go there anyway and get business cards. At the end of 5th sem, start of 6th sem, there will be info sessions specifically for internships. Hopefully you meet those recruiters again, and they remember you. By the end of January of junior year, you drop your resumes off and hope to hear back from them to see if you got 1st rounds. I applied to 140 positions. 30 first rounds. A lot of weeding out is done in this stage.</p>
<p>February 1-14 is hell. Say goodbye to classes, because chances are you will have 2-3 interviews a day and there is so much preparation to be done that, you have to add 3 to your courseload.</p>
<p>Converting 1st rounds to 2nd rounds is the most difficult step. You gotta be focused in your pitch. Really show your interest in the position and the company and your target career path. At second round, since they have met u in person already, around 50% get offer at superday (all day in NYC with 4-8 interviews).</p>
<p>At the end of it all, it feels good, regardless of if you get your dream job or not.</p>
<p>I would say that OCR has definitely made me a better person, and a more humble person.</p>
<p>Scribbler91, Thank you for your quick response.</p>
<p>She’s interested in psychology and history, but as a Whartonite, theses majors might not be very helpful? I don’t know what majors will make her business degree stronger. She basically is interested in so many things. Maybe simple curiosity. She is not very interested in the four coordinated dual degree programs, so she didn’t apply. But, she hopes to find another major that goes along very well with business.</p>
<p>Do employers prefer dual degree students? I saw significantly higher starting salary for graduates with DD than with SD.</p>
<p>As a prospective student I tried chatting on the Penn site but saw barely any action there - compared to other schools like chicago where there is a lot of question/answer posts - so any thoughts on why this is so?</p>
<p>second, I visited Penn for Penn Preview and got the impression that there is a great deal of stratification - with Wharton stacking up at the top. How does this play out in terms of making friends and being able to find a community where you don’t feel a second/ third class citizen?</p>
<p>undecided - People tend to get a big head freshmen year, but later on, everyone is at the same school. It is natural that there is a stratification, but if you people dont accept you into their circle because you are not in wharton, then they arent worth being friends with.</p>