<p>^^Yes, she just restored my faith in the intelligence of at least some Princeton students.</p>
<p>oddly enough, the EIC of the Prince is a Canadian/Indian.</p>
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<p>Life experience has long ago taught me that there is no rule stating that different minorities necessarily have any intrinsic sense of responsibility in understanding one another any more than a white person (the majority group) would. I learned long ago that just because a person is black doesn't mean they would necessarily have any special sympathy or understanding or sensitivity towards the minority experience of Asians, Latinos, Indians etc. I learned long ago that just because a person is Asian or Latino or Indian doesn't mean that they necessarily have a particular empathy for other minorities also. </p>
<p>Racism comes in many colors towards many other colors.</p>
<p>kateapollo:</p>
<p>Your experience mirrors mine. I once had a lesbian friend I had to let go because I just could not stand her constant racist pronouncements. Jesse Jackson calls NY "hymietown." Those are just two examples. There are many more. One would think that those who experience bigotry would be sympathetic to others who experience the same thing. I DO think this is true of the large groups of minorities (though I can't prove it), but it certainly doesn't apply to individuals.</p>
<p>^^^ Yep.</p>
<p>It's funny how I was just thinking about this, how even people who you think would share some particular experiences/insights-- say, racial minorities-- can actually be just as ignorant and insensitive towards each other as some people who have no experience being a minority (many white Americans) might exhibit. On a pop culture level, we can just look at the biggest racial spats in Hollywood from 2006 to see this in play. Michael Richards, a "comedian", goes on a horrible rant towards African-American people, referencing lynching and the n-word. African-American actor Isaiah Washington calls his gay "Grey's Anatomy" castmate a fag*ot. Gay Rosie O'Donnell mocks the Chinese by saying "Ching chong" for laughs on her show. </p>
<p>Racism and ignorance isn't always from the "majority" group. Truthfully, I've seen almost as much racism from and towards different minorities as I have from whites.</p>
<p>Disgusting- maybe it's a good thing son never finished his Princeton app last year- What would they do with a half Asian whose European-American mother emphasizes the same study/work ethic the Asians are known for?</p>
<p>wis that's unnecessary. the newspaper has no official supervision form the university. there are many chinese at princeton and the general environment does not reflect this article. it was some kids making an extremely stupid decision.</p>
<p>Tarhunt and icargirl, you did obviously see Borat. Yes, some of the humor was aimed at anti-Semitism but the vast majority was not. He mocked(satarized) Christians, third world people(Kazicstani's), mentally impaired, women, gays, southerners, frat boys, middle class americans, etc.</p>
<p>Well, it may give one pause to consider this little exposition from the Princeton forum:
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"I'm going to go ahead and say something that I have been hesitant to say my whole life, but I see no reason to hold back, especially in the context of this thread: The majority of white people think they can push Asians around, whether it is in a school or the workplace, without any consequences because they think Asians as a whole are a mellow and nonconfrontational race. Also, **white people as a whole have an intense feeling of envy towards Asians due to their total inadequacy in comparison when it comes to academics.</p>
<p>Well, I think the joke is on white people because it is entirely plausible that the writers of this Princeton article will be working for someone like Jian Li one day. There's nothing like a bunch of lazy white people posting a racist article on Asians to highlight the insecurity being felt by many Americans today that their jobs are about to be shipped off to Shanghai and Bangalore where Asians will be the new leaders of this age of globalization.</p>
<p>Welcome to the 21st Century. Ni hao ma to you.**"
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<p>Boo hoo. Someone is committing non-pc speech towards me, a no color WASPy American!</p>
<p>Lets notify a moderator that my feelings are hurt because its all about me ya know.</p>
<p>Dorothy, that's a pretty intense post! Do you think it's representative of Asian students? I don't . Sounds to me like a bitter kid who was on the receiving end of a few too many wedgies as an adolescent.</p>
<p>Are you a Princeton student? I'd be curious to hear what campus buzz you've been hearing on the article's publication.</p>
<p>I thought the Schiavo article was even more offensive. If I had bothered to read through the other pieces, I'm sure it would have revealed more stupidity.</p>
<p>I think that the article is indefensible, offensive, crass, unfunny and it is almost inexplicable that it was published. However, to assume that somehow the entire university is tainted by this article or that the students at Princeton are generally racist is completely wrong. What I am hearing is that the vast majority of students are upset by the article, do not find it funny and feel that it should never have been published.</p>
<p>Well, I think neither the original Joke-article in the Princetonian nor the screed of Evil-A on the ever edgy cc represent anything more than the intellectual and comic limitations of their authors: certainly not Asians or Caucasians in general or in principal. </p>
<p>The first lost its way to funny in the first paragraph (Jack Bauer not withstanding) and ambled aimlessly off its mole-hill, relying more and more on dumb leaps & stretches; the second was not so much funny as angry and likely a reflection of the family in which the poor fellow was raised. Comedy is in the future of neither one; but then, I do not believe racism is either.</p>
<p>Even with 'noble' intentions, I think that mant parents here have hopped off the mole-hill on this one, as well: though clearly they beleive it to be a mountain they have mastered.</p>
<p>SS, I think it was appropriate for Dorothy to post a P-forum response, as well. I disagree with you on this one.</p>
<p>I thought posts 46 and 50 here were entirely uncalled for. As to the racial hostility revealed in the response Dorothy posted, certain threads in College Admissions are replete with the same smug superiority. It's by no means universal or "sweeping," but stereotyping and "group-think" exists to some extent in all groups: Anglo Caucasians toward various minority groups, but equally so by those same minority groups toward the majority. That's very un-pc to say, yes. but it's accurate. Anyone more than a couple of days old has experienced that, unless you live in a bubble.</p>
<p>Just FYI, wis, an entire campus is not represented by or reflected in the views of a single writer-comic-wannabe in a student newspaper. By that measure, none of us should encourage our S's and D's to go to college: Hey, one drunk means they're all drunk.</p>
<p>I don't think anyone seriously believes that the publication of this piece means that Princeton is a racist institution, or that all or even a majority of its students would find the piece acceptable. On the other hand, it's clearly more serious than one kid making a stupid decision. </p>
<p>One kid can't mouse-click his essay into the Daily Princetonian. It's appearance there reflects the judgment of the author and probably at least two editors, and in all likelihood several other students (copy editors, etc.) who either failed to raise an issue or raised it and lost. And all of them had a vision of the public they were writing for -- their fellow students. They probably intended to be naughty and provocative, but they did not likely intend to do something that would cause them to be reviled and rejected by their peers. </p>
<p>So I assume that at least three or four Princeton students, and quite possibly more, consulting with one another and aware of their responsibilities, made a judgment that a lot of their peers would find this funny and acceptable. That doesn't make me want to rain down hellfire and brimstone on Nassau Hall, but it does make me want to ask whether something is rotten enough there to create more than a trivial risk that this would happen again. And also what the University will do to make certain it doesn't, which I hope someone there sees as part of its educational mission.</p>
<p>Ivy League newspapers take themselves pretty seriously -- if anything, they err on the side of pomposity -- and the writers and editors are often ambitious, skilled kids with realistic prospects of fast-track careers. They try to use high journalistic standards, which of course include checks and balances and consistent decisionmaking about what is appropriate to publish, as well as some measure of civic responsibility. Apparently, either that culture has completely failed at Princeton, or those concepts mean something very different to the Daily Princetonian staff than they do to most of us. Either way, something important is broken there, and ought to be fixed.</p>
<p>It is of course the way of campus politics to make a mountain out of a mole hill, still:
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'Prince' editor-in-chief Chanakya Sethi '07 said in an email statement on behalf of his board that its members "did not seek to offend" and "sincerely regret having upset" some readers.</p>
<p>'Prince' editor-in-chief Chanakya Sethi '07 said in an email..."The column in question was penned by a diverse group of students — including several Asians on our senior editorial staff — who had no malicious intent," Sethi said. "Given our purpose, we are deeply troubled by and reject the allegation of racism."</p>
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<p>"The article was completely distasteful," Asian-American Students Association (AASA) co-president Katherine Chiang '08 said. AASA is coordinating with other Asian student groups on campus to present a unified response on behalf of those offended by the column.</p>
<pre><code>"Even in the context of a joke," she said, "it made reference to so many stereotypes such as yellow fever or eating dogs. What really pushed us over the edge is that we don't speak like that, and we don't write like that."
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<p>epiphany, I do not understand why you thought my Post # 50 was uncalled for. I personally took no offense to Evil-A's post railing against stereotypical whites. He/she can write anything in this forum and figure it says more about the writer than me, the recipient.</p>
<p>I was a member of a peacemaking organization in the 1980's and we had a delightful member who was from England. At that time David Duke was active in politics and she was horrified about the things he said and stood for, concluding that he should be silenced. I told her that I was glad that the ideas of Duke and those of his ilk were not silenced because I wanted people know where some of the bigots were and that there was still work to do about it.</p>
<p>I may not like the cited P'tonian article either but let them publish away. And let Evil-A continue to rant on. I am a big boy and can take it as well as dish it out.</p>
<p>"Ivy League newspapers take themselves pretty seriously -- if anything, they err on the side of pomposity..."</p>
<p>That is the only part of that paragraph I agree with. I've done a fair amount of reading of college papers myself, and as I said in an earlier reply, I'm disappointed in the "absolutist" and non-reflective, imbalanced messages of many of them. I do not find the Princetonian any more biased or reactive than any of the others. And because of that perception on my own part, I, unlike you, do not necessarily find the ambitions or career assumptions of these contributors "realistic." </p>
<p>Some of the parents on this board have sons & daughters at Princeton & do not appreciate the attempt to characterize college policies, let alone opinions of other students at Princeton, in the same category as the quoted piece. (Thus, I find your first & last paragraphs contradictory in tone & content.)</p>
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<p>This is true in my experience. I saw it at my high school all the time. At the time I remember thinking they were mostly too busy studying to grow a spine.</p>
<p>mt4stv:</p>
<p>Did you ever stop to think that many Asians are raised in a culture where that kind of conflict is unacceptable? I suspect it has nothing to do with "spine."</p>