<p>People shouldn’t be urinating on anyone’s door or belongings. The fact that the snitch is or was in ROTC is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Don’t forget Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>When I think of the word snitch,Consolation, I always think of Al Pacino and Scent of a Woman.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, Bill Clinton, too! :)</p>
<p>Bill Clinton never “inhale”! That doesn’t count!</p>
<p>Seriously, Dartmouth’s Greek system desparately needs reform.</p>
<p>totally agree with atomom. these kids knew what they were doing.</p>
<p>"People break the law–and the one who reports it is the bad guy?</p>
<p>How about NOT doing illegal stuff? Not like they didn’t know it was illegal. . . "</p>
<p>I suppose then that the student run newpaper that published the illegal drug users names is run by snitches.</p>
<p>I do not think that the ROTC status is irrelevant. He is willing to fight for our country and our freedoms and spends a great deal of his time preparing to do so. His “brothers” are too busy sitting on the couch doing lines of coke. And you are calling HIM a snitch? Nice pals.</p>
<p>This is not a victimless crime and neither was it for those who did drugs in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Just ask the people of Colombia or Mexico or the many people here in the US who have buried relatives because of an overdose. (I’m one and I will tell you that it was perhaps the most painful thing in my life to lose a young person with so much potential because of such a useless, temporary thing.)</p>
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<p>Did you miss the fact that it was Aubart’s home too?! Doesn’t HE have some say in one goes on in it too? The weren’t using the coke in their own rooms. They were using it in the common areas.</p>
<p>The common area of a frat house. I assume this is owned either by the school or by the national fraternity. They were being allowed to live in it.</p>
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<p>Obviously, because he did. And he chose to help his “friends’” ruin their lives, even tho he only had about 2 weeks left to endure the misery.</p>
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<li><p>Our drug laws are probably too harsh</p></li>
<li><p>Cocaine isn’t pot. Not in its health consequences. Not in how widespread it is, or was, even in the 1970’s (though I was in college then, not among young professionals). </p></li>
<li><p>Its understandable that people would think it shouldn’t be reported to LE. OTOH, its hard to fully blame someone for following the law and snitching. Its not HIS fault that the law is too harsh. A fortiori if he reported it to univ authorities, not local LE. </p></li>
<li><p>Witness abuse is wrong. Very wrong. That you feel the law is too harsh, doesn’t justify it, now does it?</p></li>
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<p>It is just curious that this older ROTC guy ended up with this frat. Maybe a major mismatch? I can imagine perhaps some long standing tension that may have come to a head that led him to take the unusual step to turn in your “brothers” like this so close to graduation. Very unfortunate and I have a feeling this will follow Aubart as well as those he turned in down the line. Maybe someone familiar with Dartmouth has some insight?</p>
<p>He was in charge of the place previously. Perhaps he received a reduced rate for some management function at the Frat House and given the position because he was older.</p>
<p>He warned them before about using cocaine in the common areas.</p>
<p>He apparently wants to be a Judge Advocate which appears to me to be a military lawyer and, perhaps a judge. I guess he could certainly run on a tough on crime platform if he ever wanted to be the attorney general of a state.</p>
<p>Frats and drugs/alcohol abuse seems to go together more often than not. Gordie Bailey’s parents begged fraternities to stop the alcohol abuse, but we continue to have many, many incidents at neighboring fraternities and sororities.</p>
<p>I’m not in favor of drug usage, but fraternity members using drugs in the common area deserve to be arrested – for stupidity, if nothing else. You think a kid an RA saw using coke in a dorm lounge would get a free pass? I wouldn’t bet on it. And apparently he’d previously warned them, so it wasn’t like it was a big surprise.</p>
<p>Good for the Hanover police. Maybe this is the chance those to need to get into drug diversion, get clean, stay monitored, and move on.</p>
<p>NH allows annulment and expunging of criminal convictions if it helps with rehabilitation. Prosecutors can object but it’s decided by a judge. The subsequent witness tampering was pretty dumb as a judge might not take a favorable view of that. The parents might be able to work out a diversion program with the local prosecutor and judge - hopefully they will get a good local lawyer.</p>
<p>Wow, people are really painting the Greek system with a broad brush. I guess no incidents happen among independents, right? Band? Clubs?</p>
<p>I was in a fraternity in the early 80’s. A couple guys smoked pot no other drugs. We were not animals. Had the highest GPA out of any of our national chapters. A core group of about 10 of us see each other quite often and are Godparents to each other’s kids. </p>
<p>My DS is in a fraternity now. No hazing, dry house, service based. Avg member GPA is 3.2. Nice group of guys. </p>
<p>A good percentage of the guys are in the Honors college and there are several ROTC students as well. </p>
<p>Be careful with sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>A diversion plan for the one young man charged with possession and use of cocaine sounds like a reasonable plan, assuming it is a first offense.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be so quick to let off the one accused of both cocaine and witness tampering. If convicted, a few weeks of jail time or jail work crew time seems like it might be beneficial instruction, along with a record that follows him. That’s the kind of guy you’d like to be able to find out about before you hire him or your daughter starts dating him.</p>
<p>Parent of a Dartmouth Greek here (different frat though). As I understand, the Dartmouth Greek scene is quite different than the Greek scene on my college campus in the late '70’s (Texas A&M). </p>
<p>Typically, Greek houses are for members and their invited guests. This can lead to feelings of exclusion (sometimes intentionally given). </p>
<p>Dartmouth, however, has had a very “open” Greek community where all students are welcome to visit the different houses and participate in activities. It is not at all unusual for all sorts of people who might not participate in a Greek group on another campus to “go Greek” at Dartmouth. Because of that ongoing welcome mat, alums are strongly supportive of the Dartmouth Greek system. </p>
<p>This last year there have been two incidents that made the news. One was the heckling of a visiting squash player. I understand the hecklers were from one particular frat (this one? I can’t remember). The other was the aggressive stance taken by the local police chief to infiltrate Greek parties with “spies” to catch underage drinkers. </p>
<p>I have to say that I was creeped out by the police chief’s approach. Underage drinking is a nationwide problem – and it won’t be solved by spies. Education and/or changing the laws are possibilities and Dartmouth’s Good Sam rules certainly help (you aren’t in trouble if you get medical help for a friend who is drunk). </p>
<p>The police chief backed down after a hue and cry as the students (correctly, IMHO) pointed out that the open nature of the Greek row and the Good Sam rules made it possible for drinking students to be evaluated and helped as the evening progressed. If the “Spies” were out, students would react by closing the open houses and many students would drink privately (and more dangerously) in their dorm rooms. </p>
<p>The cocaine arrests are unnerving. So is the harassment of the student who contacted campus security. The offenders have to be dense or entitled or both if they don’t realize the harm they could be doing to the lives of brothers by having that stuff 1) in their lives at all and 2) in the house and 3) in a public area. It’s one thing to choose one’s own path – it is quite another to dump a shxxy load in to a brother’s life. </p>
<p>I will say that I think a fraternity brother may have saved my son’s life. After a miserable term, a brother of my son’s heard my son snoring on the sofa. “Is there any chance you have sleep apnea?” my son was asked. Turns out he did. Big time. He needed medical assessment and a CPAP machine. That has turned his life around. </p>
<p>Sleep apnea can make it impossible to concentrate – and dangerous to drive. I am so grateful for the Greek community that my son is in. I think they look after one another. </p>
<p>Please don’t judge all Greeks by the actions of a few. It’s wrong to do so by race, by gender, by ethnicity, by economic class or by club membership. “Generalizations are generally wrong” comes to mind.</p>
<p>I am with those who are amazed at the victimization on this thread of the person who reported the activity to campus security.</p>
<p>And…there is no defense for the fraternity brothers who allegedly poured beer and urinated on someone’s personal property.</p>