Dartmouth, Etc.

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>your stats are like a friend of mine @ dartmouth</p>

<p>good luck</p>

<p>chance back please
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<p>Ah, I can’t say I know much at all about these private university admissions, but I can definitely say that I think your sophomore slump isn’t too bad at all. It’s obvious that you worked really hard to get your grades up the next year, and your AP grades are ridiculously good! Add in your athletics and leadership positions, and I think that’s already a pretty good application. I’m unfamiliar with the ACT scoring system, but I would be a little worried about SAT II’s. They’re not bad at all, but they might be a little below the average of one of your more prestigious schools. But then again, I’m sure your extracurriculars/essays/GPA are more important than those. Good luck! I hope you get your dream school!</p>

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<p>Thank you, I appreciate your time!</p>

<p>I hope I go to my dream school, too :)</p>

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<p>It’s hard to say. Your scores will definitely hurt you, as will your GPA. However, you seem to be pretty confident in being “nationally” recognized in both newspaper and sports, so I’m not sure. </p>

<p>If you are a nationally recognized athlete, why are you not being recruited? Do you not wish to participate in sports in college?</p>

<p>Dartmouth and Yale are reaches at the very least. You’ve got a better shot at other schools.</p>

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<p>^ Thanks for the comments :).</p>

<p>Neither Yale or Dartmouth have the sport I play, but I am being recruited to a few places, they just aren’t on this list; I’d rather keep this one strictly academic.</p>

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<p>Academic wise you’re very similar to me, both with GPA and test scores. I think EC’s might be a slight issue, although I doubt it because you have many national awards which is pretty amazing. </p>

<p>Dartmouth - This is my dream school - slight-reach
Yale - Legacy - Good shot with legacy.
Johns Hopkins - I really do not know what to tell you about this one. Only 20 people were accepted ED from California this year and I applied as well. (from California). I honestly thought I had a good chance but I was deferred. So its really a toss up. Slight reach maybe? (I think my issue may have been EC’s but I don’t exactly know because I saw many other people who posted their stats in the Hopkins section with similar stats as yours and mine and they were accepted. Only difference was their location which was from the Mid-Atlantic states.)
Georgetown -match
Notre Dame - match/slight-reach
Chicago- reach (it is for everyone)
Duke- slight-reach
NYU- safety</p>

<p>Accepted: Villanova EA</p>

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<p>Thank you for the chance! I appreciate your input. </p>

<p>I was really shocked you didn’t get into JHU…maybe they only accepted the top top candidates for ED? Good luck in the RD round…maybe I’ll see you there one day!</p>

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<p>Thought I’d give it one bump</p>

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<p>what were your AP scores?</p>

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<p>For all of you commenting on ACT scores, I don’t think any of you have taken the test or you’ve never looked at the SAT Conversion Charts. Spanglish, depending on your writing score your superscore is between a 2200 and 2320. You have a really good scores.</p>

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<p>^^that is incorrect. The schools on his/her list do not superscore the ACT. A 32 converts into a ~2130, which is a fine score, but below the mean for Dartmouth. Moreover, the OP’s Subject Tests are low for unhooked applicants hailing from a competitive school and having taken the AP course.</p>

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<p>Stats are beyond amazing
Dartmouth - high match, but i have this feeling you may get in :slight_smile:
Yale - Legacy (agh LUCKY!!) - high match
Johns Hopkins - match
Georgetown - match
Notre Dame - in
Chicago - match
Duke - match
NYU - in
Good LUCK!
Chance back please!
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<p>Bluebayou makes a good point. But it seems from average accepted scores at top schools that it is not so much about concordance between the act and sat, whichis based on an outdated table. Indeed, a 32 on the ACT is, as indicated on their web site, top 1%. A 2130 SAT is not anywhere near top 1%. So even if a 32 does concord to a 2130 (which I think is more like a 2180) it still does not undo the fact that you are in the top 1%. Looking at average scores of accepted applicants at HYPS and many other top schools, it certainly looks more like the acceptances are more reflective of the percentile in which you score.<br>
P.S. Don’t think about superscore. With the ACT there are very few schools that will recalculate based on scores in individual sections. The writing basically means nothing. It is all about the composite score, for sure. Every admission officer that came to my school said that they may or may not look at section scores, but the composite is basically all that counts in the admission decision.
Bluebayou’s point about hook is very, very important.
Hook is so important.
As said in the earlier post here:
you have a good chance, especially if you have a hook at any of the schools you mention, hook is important. I don’t know if that is true at Dartmouth etc but hook is what seems to get many people in at so many top schools. .Your act 32 ACT is fine - probably better than like the 97% of people taking the test. For sure - submit both tests with that supercore to 34! You mentioned Dartmouth. I know someone who just got into Dartmouth with a 29 act and no hook (at least that is what she says), but she was like # 5 out of several hundred with super ecs (started a book club for seniors), so you never know. (She did not take the SAT I, but had right around 700 on her SAT IIs. Top schools, even HYPS, do accept applicants with high 20s on the ACT if there are other parts of the application that are outstanding. UPENN Wharton last year accepted the second ranked kid in the senior class at another high school near me last year, also with an ACT 29. So you never can tell what a school will do. These days, better to be a 2000 sat 3.5 gpa with a strong hook instead of a 2400 (36 act) 4.0 and no hook. I think You will get accepted to many of the schools you applied. If I were you, I would put Yale at the top of the list, especially with legacy, which is a huge factor at that school if you look at their admission stats. The fact is that ivys and many top schools love their legacy, especially alums that have been generous. It is a huge factor, and if anyone tells you otherwise, I think they are wrong (or just upset that they don’t have that kind of hook). All this, just my opinion. good luck to you!</p>

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<p>Sure it’s based on an outdated table, but that’s what adcoms use. </p>

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<p>Yes and no. It really doesn’t matter what the kid in Podunk City scores. The mean ACT score for Dartmouth is a 32. That includes ALL hooked applicants. The mean score for Yale will be higher.</p>

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<p>You probably lost whatever legacy hook was available by not applying EA, and lost whatever boost was available for the “dream” school by not applying ED to Dartmouth.</p>

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<p>very good points by bluebayou who has very good insight into the issue.
just a few things to note:

  1. looking at the average act / sat scores of accepted applicants, esp. at top schools, they don’t correspond very well when viewed at from the concord tale. instead, they seem to match up much more in terms of the percentile ranking of your score on the test. in other words, if the average sat of accepted applicants at school XXX is in the top 98% of applicants taking that test, the average accepted scores of accepted ACT applicants at that school is also around the top 98% for those taking that test. So I think that the percentile ranking next to your score is much more indicative of your chances than the concord table. For example, if you look at the average ACT accepted Dartmouth score (according to Bayou is 32) the average SAT score will probably correspond to a very similar percentile ranking for those taking that test - regardless of the concord table. You can check that and let us know. In my opinion, and from what seems to be going on - at least at top schools, it has to do more with looking at the percentile ranking - because the average act / sat admits seem to match up pretty closely in terms of their respective percentiles for each test, which makes a lot of sense given the significant sample size - more than a million - for each test. So, regardless of what adcoms use or don’t use, if you look at accepted applicant averages for the SAT and ACT at any top school, you will probably find that they match up very closely in terms of their respective percentile rankings for each test. Depending on how you score on the test you take, that may not be the way people like it, but it certainly is the only fair and equal way to treat the applicant pool. It seems to me that looking at the data set / average scores of accepted applicants is the best indicator.<br>
    Like it or not, the numbers are the number and no one can change that
  2. yes, the averages do include all hooked applicants, athletics, etc. and you need to consider that.
  3. yes, you probably lost some of the legacy benefit by not going ed. that was a mistake that can’t be undone. same is true for not applying early to Dartmouth
  4. A 32 or 2200 on the SAT can give you a shot at top schools. But regardless of whether you are a 30, 31, 32, 33, or 34, I don’t think it makes such a big difference. For now, just try to build the strongest application possible.<br>
  5. The key, is, and always will be, a strong hook. And even that is not a lock at many top schools given the number of applicants. Period.<br>
    Anyway, based on your stats, you will get into a good college and be successful.
    Good luck.
    Just my opinions.</p>
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<p>Thanks for all the comments, guys. I’ve gotten 5s on every AP test taken (all of them) except a 3 on physics.
I guess it’s just the waiting game, now – I believe the rest of my app makes up for my scores, but I’ll just have to wait and see!</p>

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<p>Maybe for Dartmouth, but I’m positive I’m still a hooked applicant for Yale.</p>

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<p>In the first place, legacy is no longer a “hook.” But more importantly, the legacy boost is generally gained by applying early. Since you did not apply early…</p>

<p>The reason I asked about AP scores was bcos your STs were “low” for those schools (where kids from competitive high schools typically score in the high 700’s). But those 5’s will offset the ST scores.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>^ Thanks.</p>

<p>In regard to the Yale “legacy,” I guess my situation is a bit different. I’m positive I have at least a flagged application, etc. </p>

<p>Oh, and do they even consider AP scores in the process? I have heard that they don’t, its just for placement/credits after??</p>

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<p><em>UPDATE</em>
I got the senior year grades I predicted:
AP English A
AP Calc B
AP Biology A
AP Psychology A
AP Gov/AP Econ A
Yearbook A</p>

<p>Which puts my UW to a 3.77 (not much of an increase! haha) and W to a 4.18.</p>

<p>I still have a strong upward trend since sophomore year (which just wasn’t a good year) except for one B in calc this semester (math is my worst subject). Do you think this will help me at all?</p>