<p>uh...no</p>
<p>"waitlist"</p>
<p>btw, do you have a link for that op-ed you referenced? i have a feeling its pretty irrelevant</p>
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<p>Dartmouth, like all other colleges, has a waitlist. Should the applicant here back out, the next qualified applicant will take her place. Enochan, under no circumstances should you let this dumb "taking someone else's place" argument dictate your decision here.</p>
<p>Also, moral reasons? She is choosing what college to go to. Arguing that she should go to Dartmouth because of moral reasons is ridiculous. Choose the best school between Dartmouth and Oxford, and go there. Also, I would think that Oxford considers itself above US institutions. If the applicant chooses Oxford, there is pretty much nothing Dartmouth can do about it</p>
<p>With that said, I am a student at Dartmouth, but I've recently begun looking into an exchange program with Oxford for a term. What I am learning about Oxford is amazing. It is truly an incredible university with more history, reputation, and world-class academics than any school here in the states. Don't get me wrong - I love Dartmouth, but Oxford is in a class of its own.</p>
<p>If you have gone to school in the UK and plan to work in the UK, I have to tell you that Oxford would be better for you. And even if you plan to work in the US or go to grad school here, I can't see an Oxford degree not being respected. </p>
<p>Either way, you can't go wrong. Good luck.</p>
<p>Adm...when he signed the Darmouth ED form, it stated that if accepted, he will attend dartmouth college.</p>
<p>plain and simple.</p>
<p>And?</p>
<p>If he doesn't, what will happen? Dartmouth will sue him overseas? Oxford will appease Dartmouth and reject him too, as if Oxford's existence depends on Dartmouth in any way?</p>
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<p>bobbobbob, don't bother...we live in George Bush's America...promise, signatures, contracts mean nothing over getting your way at any cost. You certainly sound like your outdated namesake, Mr. Adam Smith. If you are really a Dartmouth student, and you decide to go to Oxford, how about you just stay there because we really don't need you here. The "waitlist" excuse is total nonsense. Considering Dartmouth averages about 5 RD students per year off the waitlist, and that they calculate for slight attrition, they are probably just going to accept having a class of one less student and not bother attracting an extra person from the waitlist, who would probably be forced to foot their own bill as no school, including Dartmouth, guarantees financial aid money for people coming off the waitlist. And you know something? I wasn't giving reasons for why the OP is morally bound to go to Dartmouth. [edited out]</p>
<p>Hmmm...if it helps, I applied Princeton ED as well as Oxford. I got into both, and - though I'm fairly certain the binding factor does NOT apply if I'm applying overseas - I shall be going to Princeton. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because Oxford is old news. Sure, it has prestige, but so does Princeton. Yet US universities, when it comes to new programs, research, and teaching tend to be more dynamic and progressive. Oxford, to me, only had a lot of history. I would also stand to lose Princeton's undergrad focus. </p>
<p>Also, consider your own ambitions post-university. As of now, I have no ambitions of working in Europe, just America; in that case, Princeton would probably be better when employment time comes along. Employers know what they're getting from a Princeton student, and I also have a greater network in the US. </p>
<p>Oxford - though a great school - is great largely because of what happened there half a decade to several centuries ago. Princeton -and Dartmouth - are what they are because of their leadership today.</p>
<p>Again, though, that's just my two cents. Don't pounce on me if you love Oxford.</p>
<p>I don't understand where internationals obtain the belief that ED is not binding.....</p>
<p>Well, I'm actually domestic. And that's what my GC told me after she did her research...</p>
<p>"And you know something? I wasn't giving reasons for why the OP is morally bound to go to Dartmouth. I was giving reasons for why the OP is a horrible human being"</p>
<p>you don't do your school proud, buddy</p>
<p>Well, you're spot would be up for RD, so I don't think that it would be totally unethical.</p>
<p>schools in europe lots of pomp nothing new -oxford is just an old museum- oxford is a relic. read the story a month ago in business week even brits think it needs revamping so they imported people to fix it.
ITS BROKE. why go there? the future is here. the aristocracy is dead in England. dont go to OXFORD just GET THE BOOK and see the MOVIE lol</p>
Ignore what everyone else is saying; in this situation, it is PERFECTLY FINE to reject Dartmouth (even though you applied ED) and go to Oxford. That is, if you want to go to Oxford. If you want to go to Dartmouth, go, but don’t go because of the ED.
- There is zero chance that Dartmouth will contact Oxford and cause you to lose your place at Oxford. Unless you told them, Dartmouth has no idea you applied to Oxford. Let's say they somehow found out; they would have to find out which department and college you applied to (since undergrad admissions at Oxford is decentralized), then write a detailed letter describing why they want Oxford to rescind your offer. They would even have to explain how the ED system works as it does not exist in UK and the Oxford admissions people may not know what it is.
Yes, Oxford has an exchange program with Dartmouth, but it also has exchange programs with dozens of universities around the world, and these have nothing to do with admissions.
- You are not taking anyone's spot, as if you do not go Dartmouth can just admit one more regular decision applicant, or another applicant off the wait list.
- ED is a not a legal contract. You are not breaking any laws if you reject an ED offer.
- It is highly unlikely you will "burn any bridges" for graduate school (if you even want to go to grad school in the US later on). Undergrad and grad admissions are two completely different processes, and what is the probability that Dartmouth admissions will share the fact that you rejected them to other undergrad admissions offices, who will then share it with their graduate admissions offices, who will then save the information for several years? Yeah, zero.
- You really are not doing anything wrong, in the sense of hurting anyone. The whole reason ED even exists is to artificially increase yield rates, giving colleges a boost in rankings; I'd call THAT ethically questionable. Besides, undergrad admissions in the US is already pretty messed up (legacy, sports, affirmative action, ED, etc, etc, that's a story for another day) and you're not killing anyone just by screwing around with it a little.
- So, it all boils down to how much you care about abstract notions of integrity. If you really are going to dedicate the next four years of your life to something just because of a little promise you made, go for it. Personally I would not care.
Moderator, please lock this OLD thread. Folks, please do not bother reactivating a conversation from many years ago. Although, I have to admit, I’d love to hear from the OP. Is Brown’s still there? How about the Turl?
please use old threads for information purposes only,