Dealing with Depression in college students

<p>I completely endorse Mootmom's comments about Ms. Jones and MIT.</p>

<p>My H and I are both alums and we have had 2 sons apply to college, one applied to MIT, the other didn't. They had the same grades, SAT's, etc. One son(#2) had a field of interest better suited to MIT, but the bottom line reason why son #1 NEVER would make it at MIT(and why we never thought to suggest he apply), regardless of his field of interest, is that he is a kid with inconsistent mental energy. He is bright, he is creative, he is even resilient. But, he can't dog it, he can't hang in for hours on a taxing mental endeavor, he depletes his mental energy and he loses interest. Very early on it was clear that this was a quality of his learning. He needs a certain pacing to work optimally. With son #2, it was equally clear from an early age that he had an extremely high level of energy for sustained thinking- for solving puzzles and for working through tough, novel, at times frustrating tasks. </p>

<p>The quaint way of describing an MIT education is that it is like 'drinking out of a firehose.' I've always hated the imagery, but the reality is you have to be able to sustain a gut wrenching on-rush of work, and maintain high effort throughout to be successful. There is very little hand holding, freshman pass fail is the key transitional allowance.</p>

<p>Now, take the average depressed teenager. An individual with a single episode of major depression in the teen years stands a 70% chance of another episode within 5 years. Not every kid who works hard, who pushes themself, who doesn't get enough sleep, gets depressed in HS, do they? Depression is a 2- hit event. There is genetic vulnerability and there is a specific event, situation, environment- something else which results in the symptom group.</p>

<p>A MAJOR symptom of depression is lack of mental energy, inability to focus, etc. Simply put, in the context of depression an individual's mental energy is 'displaced'- it is elsewhere. Displaced attention and mental energy are simply not compatible with a happy life at MIT, no matter how bright the kid- and this is just a fact. Very little coasting goes on...</p>

<p>Does anyone really think that Ms. Jones is off-base in cautioning potential applicants to seek a 'good fit' for themselves?</p>

<p>She is concerned about kids trying to be perfect because she knows, as should we all, that there is cost in the striving. To some it is simply a few missed social events. To others it is more significant. Parents and guidance counselors who are concerned about kids who have specific vulnerabilities are serving no one by not taking this into account in the process of helping kids find a great college fit for themselves.</p>

<p>She is not heartless about the genuine issues related to depression. She is a realist.</p>

<p>robyrm:</p>

<p>Welcome back! You have been sorely missed. I echo everything you said, not just about MIT.
I read somewhere that, with many teenagers, mental health problems manifest themselves for the first time in college. Yet, there may be earlier indications that students will react to stress differently. In a way, the MIT teacher's rec form tries to distinguish between different types of A students. Those who achieve their As through dint of hard work, those who memorize, those who are grade grubbers and those who are brilliant. Obviously, all colleges would like to admit the brilliant applicants. But from the parental point of view, knowing how hard one's child worked to get those As should give a clue to what type of college the child should be aiming for or avoiding. IF a student worked until all hours to do well in high school, s/he won''t have anything left over to devote to achieving at the higher level required for success at a place like MIT. As robyrm says, there is little coasting and there is little handholding. It really is not a place for everyone.
Marilee Jones has been a vocal advocate of reducing pressure placed on high-schoolers; but it is not for her to try to change the climate at MIT.</p>

<p>roby~</p>

<p><strong>GREAT to "see" you!!!!!!!!</strong></p>

<p>As an alum from MIT, you bring wonderful perspective to this thread. Thanks so much for your input. I understand this much better now!</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>edited to add: Also, kudos to you for helping your sons to put thoughtful consideration into their college choices and for not encouraging your older son's application to MIT just because he was a legacy when you KNEW the fit would not have been a good one...well done!</p>

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The quaint way of describing an MIT education is that it is like 'drinking out of a firehose.' I've always hated the imagery, but the reality is you have to be able to sustain a gut wrenching on-rush of work, and maintain high effort throughout to be successful. There is very little hand holding, freshman pass fail is the key transitional allowance.

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<p>Olin's first semester is similar, although I suppose we probably have a little more hand holding: since we're so small the school works pretty hard to actively avoid weeding kids out, despite the stress and crazy workload.</p>

<p>First semester was very difficult to get through under the best of conditions. I would never wish that experience on anyone who was battling depression.</p>

<p>I agree with robyrm, marite & berurah.</p>

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MIT teacher's rec form tries to distinguish between different types of A students. Those who achieve their As through dint of hard work, those who memorize, those who are grade grubbers and those who are brilliant.
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<p>This says a mouthful. </p>

<p>It applies equally to many other qualities in applicants. </p>

<p>There are kids who do community service to earn awards or resume-pad, and kids who have a genuine passion for a cause. There are kids who slog through 10 years of piano lessons and become accomplished, but don't deeply love music, while others are gifted and passionate musicians. There are kids who do a hundred things to please their parents and "look good for college," but also kids who do a hundred things because of an insatiable desire to experience life.</p>

<p>MIT says it looks for "passion and joy." This is relevant and correct. If you don't start out pretty much intact, passionate, and joyful, the sort of work load expected there would be crushing. </p>

<p>They need to find kids who are not "maxed out" by the HS years and still have it in them to accellerate in college.</p>