<p>bigjake, i understand what you are trying to say. i thought that you were conservative, and i though that conservatives based their decisions on morals etc. </p>
<p>what these troops did were TOTALLY Unnecessary !! And werent we the ones to establish a democracy in Iraq? Go figure!</p>
<p>Remember this, even if we are fighting against terrorists, there is no need for us to steep down to their level. At least the government took action to punish these troops. </p>
<p>These are the kind of stuff Hitler did to the Jews and his justifications are just as unreasonable as yours.</p>
<p>Even if this was a little out of line,</p>
<p>A little out of line?
A guy getting his ***** electricuted? Men forced to do shameful sexual act? People being fed to dogs? </p>
<p>Thats a little out of line to you? Wow. It looks like you are crazy. </p>
<p>If all thats "a little out of line", probably beheading people like the terrorists did is nothing disturbing to you!!</p>
<p>You state of mentality is kinda like this:
"Since these are American troops, we should support them no matter what they do!!"</p>
<p>btw, didnt those pictures on the website have any affect on you? Are you that cold hearted?</p>
<p>"I do not want to offend your opinions (regardless of how ridiculous they are) , but please support them!!"</p>
<p>I reccomend you stop changing your screen name primitive... oh wait or are you his uncle's grandma's cousins sister's brothers mothers friend?</p>
<p>Things like this have happened in just about every war. In Vietnam whole villages were killed and/or torched because the troops thought they were "enemy". Our troops now are held to the highest standards when they go out to fight (international law). </p>
<p>"And werent we the ones to establish a democracy in Iraq?"</p>
<p>This is true. I believe we need to set an example but we also need to use other devices to get the terrorists to start talkin. Things like making em stand up for hours at a time, etc. (I think they do that?)</p>
<p>Im not saying they deserved what happened in Ghraib but I think the cutting off of heads an all that is horrible.</p>
<p>Im not saying they deserved what happened in Ghraib but I think the cutting off of heads an all that is horrible.</p>
<p>So are you against or for it?</p>
<p>"I believe we need to set an example but we also need to use other devices to get the terrorists to start talkin."</p>
<p>i agree. but how did the barbaric activities at Abu Ghrail accomplish this? All it did was give a bad impression of America. Thats the truth.</p>
<p>"bigjake, i understand what you are trying to say. i thought that you were conservative, and i though that conservatives based their decisions on morals etc."</p>
<p>That's evangelical conservatism. I have absolutely nothing to do with that christian right-wing ideology.</p>
<p>Cryptic, i tried to present you with a reasonable point of view. All you are doing is attacking me with stupid "didnt those pictures on the website have any affect on you? Are you that cold hearted?"</p>
<p>Once again, i repeat, these are terrorists. These are people who beheaded American citizens, who bombed voting centers where truly innocent Iraqis were exercising a long overdue right. These people would not hesitate to kill one of OUR soldeirs were they to capture him. These are not innocent Jews. How dare you draw a comparison to the Holocaust. </p>
<p>Do you think OUR troops would be shown international prisoner-of-war rights if they were captured??? </p>
<p>Why should we have the high ground all the time. It works against us. You want to reduce American casualties. Yet at the same time you refuse the military any leniency in performing what needs to be done in WAR. If you pulled your head out of your Americans-for-Terrorists pamphlet and questioned this stupid notion that we are OBLIGED to be the just, noble peace crusaders while the whole world gets to walk all over us, you might understand what I am saying. </p>
<p>If somebody killed a member of my family, I would not hesitate to kill them if I were allowed to. All humanitarian notions go out the window. Not the same for you? This Abu Ghraib thing is the same. </p>
<p>I would never support the enemy. The only thing I do regret about Abu Ghraib is the stupidity of the soldiers who took pictures. What the hell were they thinking...</p>
<p>Regardless of how you disguise it, war is war. Its either us or them. You can't support our troops while denying them the ability to fight our enemies.</p>
<p>"All it did was give a bad impression of America. Thats the truth."</p>
<p>No. What gave the bad impression of America is how America sided with terrorists over their own troops. Sure, Europe can criticize us. But Europe has no say in military strength anymore. </p>
<p>Let's think about the countries that matter here...Russia...China...the superpowers. Do you think Russia would hesitate to use any and all means necessary to combat terrorism? Do you think Russia would imprison its own soldiers over something like this? No.</p>
<p>Do you think China would? Not a chance in hell. </p>
<p>While paying lip service to the UN's dumb liberal censures, these countries are secretly laughing at us. I would hope that you have the good sense to recognize that our reputation with these countries is more important than how we look in Europe's eyes. </p>
<p>Not a very good image to convey right now given the current Chinese threats on Taiwan...</p>
<p>"If somebody killed a member of my family, I would not hesitate to kill them if I were allowed to. All humanitarian notions go out the window. Not the same for you? This Abu Ghraib thing is the same.'</p>
<p>i understand wat you are trying say. Let me ask you this - is is right for America steep down to the level of the terrorists? I think not. Even the government doesnt want to hassle with the issue. </p>
<p>Remember, you are not the only human here. we all are. Everyone has close ones. Can you tell me an incident where someone took revenge for the murder of his/her close one? i dont think you will find many.examples. Also, if WE are going to establish a democracy in Iraq, then WE should set an example, not behave like the terrorists there.</p>
<p>And please stop mentioning "terrorists beheading innocent Americans" statement. what these troops did were not better. Debate over this will lead to personal attacks (like you claiming that i am friends of the terrorists). So why dont we debate over Bush's economic policy?</p>
<p>'What gave the bad impression of America is how America sided with terrorists over their own troops."</p>
<p>Is there any way possible that you can prove this? </p>
<p>Honestly, I dont care what Russia or China feels. All I know that no country is supporting the U.S. All my point is that it was unnecesary for the troops to commit such digusting acts and I am cofident that the MAJORITY of Americans are sharing my opinion (even Bush).</p>
<p>That didn't respond to anything I said. I've said all that is necessary. Bush's economic policy doesn't interest me right now. So with that, enjoy your life. I'll be checking in later.</p>
<p>"Honestly, I dont care what Russia or China feels."</p>
<p>YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Not a personal attack. You're just an IDIOT if this is what you said. You're probably right about the majority. The majority is too quick to forget things like September 11 and like the beheadings. Its quite sad. I was hoping for a strong person to stand up and express the point of view of people like me. But in this age of such political correctness, I was hoping for the impossible. We live in a country of pussies. No other country in the world is held to the ideal standards that the United States is. It's pure hypocrisy and you embrace it wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>"We live in a country of pussies. No other country in the world is held to the ideal standards that the United States is. It's pure hypocrisy and you embrace it wholeheartedly."</p>
<p>YES, i agree with this completely. I wonder how many people in other countries try draft-dodging or say they would. I hear people all the time "If we get the draft up Im moving to Mexico!" I think to myself "Hey why dont you just go there now since nobody wants you here."</p>
<p>I guess you could say "cryptic" I am unsure of where i stand on Abu Ghraib.</p>
<p>"We live in a country of pussies"</p>
<p>I will not make personal attacks like you did. As for Americans forgetting about 9/11 and the beheading,you are totally right. No wonder why there isnt enough pressure to capture BIN LADEN! </p>
<p>As for the rest of the world, they dont give a crap about what happens here and what we are doing to fight terrorism. Even YOU should be aware of that. </p>
<p>And as for American being too scared to joined the military, you guys are probably right. Bush is a perfect example of such kind of Americans based in his military record (or lack of).</p>
<p>I guess you know this, joining the military to protect the nation and gain respect is one thing, joining the military because you are a war hawk and want revenge is another matter.</p>
<p>"What gave the bad impression of America is how America sided with terrorists over their own troops"</p>
<p>That statement is wrong. if America did side over to the terrorists (haha) then Bush wouldnt have won the election and there would never be the war on terrorism.</p>
<p>its actually rudiculous and funny</p>
<p>"and I am cofident that the MAJORITY of Americans are sharing my opinion (even Bush)."</p>
<p>You are just trying to make everything you say look good. Oh so then the majority does matter...well thats not what you said about gay marriage "cryptic". Majority matters to some extent because it is...well...the majority. But this is a debate and we are not arguing about what the majority thinks we are arguing what WE think.</p>
<p>But this is a debate and we are not arguing about what the majority thinks we are arguing what WE think.</p>
<p>YOU dont even know if you are supporting the abuse at Abu Ghraib or not.Isnt this what you said?
"I guess you could say "cryptic" I am unsure of where i stand on Abu Ghraib."</p>
<p>My word of advice: If you want to debate you should CHOOSE SIDES and then support them. All what you are doing is supporting both sides of the issue.</p>
<p>"As for the rest of the world, they dont give a crap about what happens here and what we are doing to fight terrorism."</p>
<p>Oh they give a crap. They're running scared that America is finally exercising its military power and not sitting idle at the UN table, deferring to weak European nations. They don't like it.</p>
<p>Oh they give a crap. They're running scared that America is finally exercising its military power and not sitting idle at the UN table, deferring to weak European nations. They don't like it.</p>
<p>If they were so "scared" of America, there wouldnt be any "terrorist threats" from countries like North Korea, Iran,Syria and some others. Why dont you provide sources for you statements for a change? I would LOVE to read them!!</p>