<p>How come sports leagues recruit students, but the debate leagues don’t?</p>
<p>nolagirl: is this a rhetorical question or a serious one? If the latter, then I would ask you to examine which collegiate sports teams recruit. Yale has 33 NCAA Div 1 teams. Only a handful of them have any recruiting.</p>
<p>Bottom line: top athletes make top athletic teams shine which increases school prestige. This is worth money to colleges. Many sporst, debate and other intellectual competitors don’t rise to this standard.</p>
<p>Yes debate people do VERY well in admissions to Yale, a RIDICULOUS number of people here did debate in high school. Also Parli is just as legit as LD, also it is easier to do well in parli debate (no offense) because, Texas, my state is a large debate state and parli is not that popular here. It may not make sense that one state not doing a form of debate is easier, but if you look at the winners at Nationals for the last four years they have all been debaters from Texas. So less Texas competition means greater odds of doing well.</p>
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<p>This is not true. I say that definitely as many of the finalists at nationals in extempt currently go to Yale and one is a personal friend. They did not go to “good schools” but just the normal types of high schools that most people go to. In fact, the school you go to matters less than what you did at your particular school.</p>
<p>@T26E4</p>
<p>I would tend to disagree. I think that debaters have a lot to add to schools…debaters are often among the best and brightest students, particularly the ones who are very competitive. Debating is like taking an extra class (or two). I spend at least an hour prepping every night and go out of town most weekends to tournaments…and I have to learn to balance that with my regular school and social life.</p>
<p>I realized that sounded a bit arrogant, but it wasn’t meant to be. The bottom line is that debaters work very hard and for the most part, are definitely at the fore front of the learning curve…they’d add a lot to a school like Yale.</p>
<p>nolagirl: As the parent of a policy debater who also works very hard on debate, I would say to you, do it if you enjoy it- not because it will help you get into Yale or another college. This is probably true for all ECs.</p>
<p>I definitely do enjoy the activity. An added bonus is that I get to put it on my resume (which a lot of people–actually, most if not all people–do with the ECs that they like)…I was just wondering if the activity itself would help my application at all. It definitely seems like a huge amount of circuit debaters get into and go to Yale.</p>
<p>nolagirl wrote: “I would tend to disagree. I think that debaters have a lot to add to schools…debaters are often among the best and brightest students, particularly the ones who are very competitive. Debating is like taking an extra class (or two). I spend at least an hour prepping every night and go out of town most weekends to tournaments…and I have to learn to balance that with my regular school and social life.”</p>
<p>If I may: my comment was in response to your question why top debaters wouldn’t be recruited like some athletes (post #22). I wasn’t commenting on the inherent “worthiness” of debate versus Football or Fencing. All three contribute to a campus environment: I stipulate that. But only one of the three gets recruits. I’m stating a fact and some rationale behind that policy. That’s all. I completely respect your talent and wish you the best for your collegiate debate career.</p>
<p>Sincerely T26e4</p>
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<p>One of the best things about debate, though, is that debate tournaments literally last for two whole days during the weekend. So when you put the number of hours per week for the activity on the resume you can put like 30 hours and it is still true :)</p>
<p>I don’t think that Yale actively recruits for its Parli team. It seems to be pretty inclusive.
The freshmen on it this year include:
Stacey, Nick Cugini, Meredith Potter, Rob Colonel
All of them were very prominent on the national stage for Ext/Ext/PF/Congress.
However, the rest of the 2013 debaters may have done debate, but definitely were not as successful as those 4. (Apologies if I missed someone. This is off the top of my head.)</p>
<p>^^Stacey is from my district, I did Extemp a few times against her before decding PF was for me…she’s like crazy smart</p>
<p>as for Meredith, I debated her at nats and she was BRILLIANT and not just at debate, so she def deserved a yale acceptance</p>
<p>i would have to agree with you on those four, im not sure of anyone else but it seemed as if everyone in my final round at nats (senate) was going to an ivy school or stanford.
no. 1 went to yale
no. 2 went to harvard</p>
<p>stacey chen is def at yale. facebook says so lol :)</p>
<p>^^and I agree. At nats, I went against kids off to UChicago, Yale, CMU, Princeton, MIT, Caltech and Cal…i’t sso intimidating</p>
<p>what debate do you do rocket6louise?</p>
<p>Public Forum
but our state is doing Parli this year, so my coach is making me do it for states
and you?</p>
<p>very cool. parli is very prominent in california, and i must say, its much fun!
i compete in everything except for policy. but i am only state or nationally ranked in ld, congress, and extemp</p>
<p>Haha, yeah.
Stacey is pretty much a beast at life. Extemp + Carnegie Hall piano performances? </p>
<p>Rocket, did you do PF at this past nationals?
I’m an extemper, but I did PF at districts for sweepstakes points and accidentally qualified it in as well as in IX. -_-. But anyways, PF at NFL Nationals was TERRIBLE, or at least the people I hit were. My partner and I broke, hitting teams that ran kritiks (lolfail.), attempted to have a theory debate with us, etc. It seemed as though they were all just failed LDers/Policy kids who had really weak districts.
Break rounds at circuit tournaments are much better, imo. PF should emphasis logic, oration and coherent, well articulated arguments, not stacks and stacks of evidence.</p>
<p>@vaeliant, did you see the final round of pf at nats?
the teams both had good constructives but were getting SUPER flustered in grand cross.
like to the point of yelling matches.
i have no doubt that pf will turn into evidence encompassed spread debate on the toc circuit very soon. the time limits pretty much suck, but this is also coming from a parli/ld type :D</p>