@Wildermind i do agree that testing on ppl is sometimes justified though, I would honestly volunteer for an experiment if it would help ppl
@dracollavenore let me warn you - if we get in - I will not hesitate to back stab you if we disagree on student governance issues 
My home country is ruled by a dictator, I know how to get things done O:-)
@nightvale42 I am not speaking of mental disorders, just normal people in general. Take the US military for example. Would you be in favor of them sitting back and doing nothing if there was a suicide bomber? Say the bomber’s actions are a result of past military actions?
Wow @Wildermind that’s harsh ;)) But then again, I won’t go down without a fight. For example, I don’t agree with human testing in Orphan Black. They may be clones but as long as their is a sense of individuality, they are as human as anything,
@dracollavenore their lives would be used to save millions. Is that not worth it?
@Wildermind No. I don’t believe it’s worth it. If you apply the context of the Trolley Experiment, is it worth killing less people to save more lives? Whilst human testing doesn’t necessarily cause death, I don’t agree with forced human testing on clones or any other being that has a conscience. However, if you willingly volunteer then that’s fine - I just don’t agree with forcing others to do something we wouldn’t be willing to do ourselves.
@dracollavenore say the show was told from the perspective of someone who was sick and the cure depended on the clones? would you not have viewed the clones as bad people for putting themselves above millions who are sick? That is why I said it all about the point of view. The millions people would see the clones as bad people.
A great example is The Matrix. Neo and them are try to fight the program. But when you look at it from the view of someone else in the Matrix then Neo comes across as a villain. That high way chase for example, imagine someone who lost their family or friends because of them.
@Wildermind you make a good point with perception but when you are judging human lives you shouldn’t have any bias. Whilst there is a general expectation for people to help one another, there is also an expectation to respect one’s decision. If you are sick then you cannot expect others to cure you. I know that sounds quite backwards but it does get on my nerves when people sue honest doctors for hard work. Even if there is a 100% chance of success, you can’t always expect it. If we use a real world example of kidney failure. Most people have two kidneys and the transplant waitlist is very long. Now let me ask you this: are you an organ donor? Why don’t we expect everyone who has two healthy kidneys to donate one of them? Surely that would save millions of lives too? Would you be willing to give up one of your kidneys? It might sound selfish but I’m not willing too. Firstly, because of the cost of surgery. Secondly because I’m scared of surgery. It’s a very selfish decision but nobody sneers at me for not wanting to give up my kidney. So why should we have double standards for other conditions?
@dracollavenore true. Then again animal testing is a thing. Why is it that we put them below us? There might be a day when there is some sort of testing that can only be performed on humans? What then?
@Wildermind I don’t agree with animal testing either or animal cruelty in general. As a single species I believe humans take everything for themselves with disregard to almost everything else. While this issue is getting better, the negative impacts are already obvious. Just because we have an advantage due to technology and society doesn’t mean we can enforce dominance over others be they human or animal. I believe that we can struve towards and interdependent cycle rather than a parisitic one.
@dracollavenore that is how we move forward as a civilization.
@Wildermind What do you mean by that? I don’t think we can really classify moving forward as dominance over others. You said earlier that your country is run by a dictator. Now this may be a poor analogy but if we assume the people of your country as lab rats per se, your dictator can be assumed to be the scientist injecting chemicals/socio-economic laws into your society. I believe, as a human race in general, we don’t have to always do practical work to get results - see quantum physics as an example. Naturally, we can’t predict everything and results due to experimentation can often go against predictions, however, returning to the dictatorship equation, I wouldn’t say Africa as a whole is fully developed as a civilisation. I may be wrong as all I have to go on are economical factors, however, my point is that we don’t need to assert our dominance to move forward, cruel testing methods aren’t the only way towards a more developed civilisation.
The wait is torturous! :-SS I think it’s 07:40am now at Deep Springs so they probably won’t send confirmation of the second round for another five hours - just a hunch. I’m going to try to sleep now and pass the time but I’m really worried about what I’ll see when I wake up.
I’m calling it Shrodinger’s mail! There might be confirmation and there might not.
Well… that’s it. :)>- I’m signing off now and hopefully we’ll all have good news in a few hours. I wish all of us luck and whatever happens stay positive! 
@dracollavenore there is a difference between a dictatorship and testing. Testing is done to find cures and stuff, dictatorship is not done with the mentality of benefiting people as a whole.
Do they notify you by email if you are declined or do you only get an email if you are admitted?
@itsjustmyfuture If I am not mistaken, either way you get an email.
has anyone gotten word yet?
@nightvale42 not me X_X