Deep Springs 2022-2023 Discussion

Hey @descartes_fore_horse what do you mean by the prestige system? Do you mean people will only apply because it’s a (relatively) easy ticket to the Ivys?

I mean, DS is all about preparing one for a life of service so if you’re not passionate about humanity then you simply won’t be admitted - or at least that’s my take on it. And as I said to @Clockless_hours earlier, if you are passionate about living a life of service, then you sort of need a “privileged” position at a higher institute to be more effective at instilling change from within the system.

I don’t want to say too much about my essays out of wanting to retain animosity should ApCom check this (although that’s kinda paranoid), but I’ll say this:

I was gonna go on a very similar route for the first essay but decided against it. This is the essay I’m most shaky about (I started it completely over the weekend it was due) and least knew how to approach tbh. I linked the Wilde quote to something else it reminded me of and then reflected on a personal anecdote.

I briefly considered going with the heliocentrism essay and going more on a humanities style route, arguing that the sun revolves around Earth in the metaphorical sense that it’s necessary to human activities, if that makes sense? I didn’t develop the idea, it just crossed my mind when I first saw the prompts. I decided on the democracy essay in the end, since that’s more closely aligned with my personal interests and knowledge, although I think my initial idea would have been fun to argue too.

I got told by a friend who checked my essays that I have a “very didactic style”, but that it works in the context of them. I was rather apprehensive that I dwelled too much explaining things in my essays to the point of being pedantic.

I’m not too worried about the essays, more worried about my supplementals.

I still adamantly disagree about the last point, but like I said, I think that’s an argument for elsewhere :smiley:

anonymity* !

I’m so sorry, I’m running on low sleep and I swear I checked my essays more thoroughly than this.

No worries about the vocabulary, my friend. I’m sure we can all sympathize with you.

Your initial thoughts on the heliocentrism idea are interesting. Have you read Joseph Campbell? He talks about the functional role of mythology.

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My essays are broken down into:

#1 ~ Refusal to conform to a professor’s expectations and then failing her class. This failure almost caused me to lose my scholarship so I vowed to increase my GPA the following semester. I aced all my academic courses the following semester but it meant treating other people as wrungs on a ladder, allowing academic dishonesty, sucking up to the professors, etc. I didn’t regret this as I legit had no other choice (I feel the meaning of regret is wanting to go back and do things differently but I would do it all again because I had to). Although I didn’t regret what I did, it still made me feel uncomfortable - this discomfort was because I was exposed to Morpheus’ “red pill”. In other words, if I had conformed from the beginning, I would probably still be in a state of blissful ignorance and be unaware to the injustices in China’s academic system. I would have gotten everything I wanted. But since I refused to conform initially, I had effectively opened up Pandora’s box and saw through my ignorance. Getting what I didn’t want. My focal point was that getting what you want will lead you to a life of happiness - but it’s rather superficial, therefore, the largest tragedy. Not getting what you want is a tragedy, but it teaches you that there is so much more to life than just simple happiness - life also has virtue, etc.

#2 ~ I talked about how I previously had grandiose illusions of service. How I was previously living a life in servitude rather than a life of service. How I hated service and whenever I helped people I always wanted to be somewhere else, doing something else. But I still served because I felt that I was a selfish monster of sorts because I failed to actually care. I just didn’t care and was only helping other people to put up a front. And how my motives for service were selfish and that by serving, I could perhaps enjoy it and become “human”. My change, however, came with a volunteer teaching trip to the slums of an impoverished town. Whilst there we played teambuilding game with kids from a local school all in preparation to teach them. Or so I thought. It turned out though that playing those games was actually teaching them but I was so caught up having fun that I didn’t even think we were serving. Basically, I found out that my understanding of service as a sacrifice was all wrong. All those times I thought I was serving, I was merely punishing myself. Everyone has their own way of serving, and service is basically helping other people in a way you enjoy. Service is meant to be energizing.

#3 ~ I opened with how DS terrifies me as it means shedding the bubble wrap society has wrapped me in since birth and facing only the essential facts in life. Not to mention the dangerousness of DS which led to the death of one or more students over the years. But what terrifies me more is resigning myself to the current state of the world. Because right now, I’m all lined up to graduate and have a road paved with “success” laid in front of me. One of the perks of graduating from the top school in China pretty much means being set for life - but that disgusts me. I don’t want to be set for life and ignore the problems of society - it just feels like hush money. I want to tear down our social constructions and change the world. I really want to help people realise how inauthentic they are all living and how we are squandering our potential. I want to help people live the lives that they deserve. And I think DS is the place that will effectively kit me up with the tools necessary to lead a life of service and change the world for the better.

#4 ~ I chose the democracy essay. I recounted my time at Outer Coast and how self-governance truly played out - the good, the bad and the ugly. I talked about how we as the student body sort of disintegrated into disarray, forming cliques, becoming a demagoguery, despite our initial ideals. I talked about how my time as Mediator helped me see the true problems and communication barriers. I talked about my time as a “dictator” that was still democratic because my policies were in the interest of everyone. I talked about how power got to my head and the failure of democracy within the SB. I talked about how democracy isn’t a power structure but a spirit of the people. Ultimately, I talked about how democracy is a work in progress because it’s about a stubborn commitment to each other above all else.

#5 ~ The book I chose was La Nausea by Sartre. I talked about how reading it has changed my perception of Adults. I used to look up to Adults because of their ability to improvise and solve any problem Life threw their way. But reading La Nausea helped me see that Adults actually create most of their own problems and that it’s absurd to idolise someone who solves problems if they are the ones who create the problems in the first place. Reading La Nausea changed my whole perspective - I once aspired to be like an Adult, but now I’m sorely disappointed. For all their talk of living in the real world and “grow up”, Adults are nothing more than overgrown children who fail to see the world for what it truly is.

I’m not too sure if my summaries make sense. I’ve got the full picture in my mind, so I’m not too sure how well my words reflect my ideas. I’m not too sure that my actual essays reflect my true ideas either :sweat_smile: but that’s basically the gist of what I wrote.

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I haven’t, but I’m familiar with him in passing. I think I get where you’re going with this though.

If it piques your interest, definitely read Power of Myth. And further down that rabbit hole, Titus Burkhart and Jung.

I kind of don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Apcom to recognise you? I mean, having the courage to share your journey online and then be engaged in discussion shows a sense of maturity which I personally think makes you a better fit for DS. In my perspective, I would love for Apcom to see this thread as it gives a more comprehensive view of who we are as a person. We shouldn’t try to hide anything - after all, our flaws are perhaps our most charismatic attributes. Or at least, that’s what I’ve learned in life.

Thanks for the recommendations

The power of mythology actually really works with social constructivism. Nietzsche once wrote about how mythology and suspension of belief are necessary to be fully functional human beings. Basically, as humans, we are flawed and can’t comprehend raw existence. Mythology allows us to believe in something absurd which puts everything into perspective. In other words, we need to allow ourselves to believe in nonsense to make sense of our world.

The PDF for Nietzsche can be found here: https://www.austincc.edu/adechene/Nietzsche%20on%20truth%20and%20lies.pdf

I know that CC doesn’t really like external links to PDF’s so you can also just do a Google search on “nietzsche on truth and lies” and the first link should be the PDF.

Where did he write about that? I’d love to read more into that. I just realized that I’ve been misattributing the “if god didn’t exist, we’d have to invent him” quote to Nietzsche.

Also, I really loved writing these essays, and it’s fascinating reading into how others went about approaching them, so thank you for your effort in making such a comprehensive summary of your essays. The first essay seems like a particularly good insight into you as an individual. I took a more abstract approach to it, and as a result I think that my personality was diluted.

Your answer to the democracy essay was quite something as well. It’s entirely possible that you will be the only one in this application cycle to have such a direct reference when writing about its efficacy!

I’m chugging along on my reading. Abbey onwards!

Abbey is so based

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I might not know what I’m talking about, but I sort of feel that on that point (not necessarily in general) that Nietzsche and Voltaire would disagree. I think both were religious, but despite Nietzsche claiming that “God IS Dead” (more to do with our corrupt system of Christianity than God being non-existent), Nietzsche would reject Voltaire’s claim. Nonetheless, I think that at their core, both of them were arguing for a more personal connection with God and the necessity of theology. Voltaire, however, was more quantity, whereas Nietzsche was more quality. But I’ve only read one or two books on each, so don’t quote me on that :sweat_smile:

And I get what you mean by having fun writing these essays. They are a lot more stressful but have a sense of reality to them which college essays don’t. Or perhaps that’s because I used anecdotes in pretty much all my essays.

I think an abstract approach is fine as you can still show your curiosity through that channel. After all, DS is looking for a lot of things: curiosity, an ability to reflect upon themselves, a strong work ethic, and clear communication skills. As long as your essays touch upon these basic criteria, then you should be all good. :grin:

I was hoping my democracy essay would stand out. I initially wanted to talk about Kafkaesque systems of bureaux, the rule of Orwellian concepts under the guise of democracy, how economic markers of welfare are a correlation instead of causation, etc. But then after reading “how to hack the college essay” I realised that anybody could have written it. I needed to make essays something only I could write - but now that I think about it, other people from Outer Coast, Thoreau College, etc. are probably applying too :sweat_smile: I guess what’s important isn’t necessarily how you approach the topic but rather that you approach it in a way that is important to you. As long as you wrote it in a way that is important to you, then Apcom should be able to feel that too.

Good luck with your reading on Abbey!

Yeah, I’m about to go to sleep but I’ll upload a pic when I check the thread tomorrow morning. Nothing too special, but it’s still kinda interesting

Hmm… I tried to upload but it says I can’t embed media and I also need 15 posts to send DMs, which I don’t have. I can email the pics if you want, but I can’t put them here unfortunately. @dracollavenore

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Yeah! An email would be great! Once received I’ll try to see if I have any luck uploading them on my side

Ok what’s your email?

t.walshdaniel@protonmail.com