Deerfield - Gay Students targeted

<p>God did not pen The Book. His servants did, the men who wrote those words are just as human as you and I.</p>

<p>Y'know what, guys? I think we're all being trolled here.</p>

<p>I looked back over some of BF's posts, and there's a fairly nonsensical trend to them. He insists he's lived a perfect life, which even the Pope doesn't claim. He can spell strange Greek words in religious context, and uses phrases such as "sexual misadventures" but does not know how to spell the simple ones, ie, purgatory. He claims to have been sexually threatened by a older male, but doesn't bring this up until asked. He continues to insist that he'll be fine in BS, but freely admits he probably wasn't accepted at some due to his radical beliefs. Hell, he says he's from a reservation of a tribe that USED to be accepting of alternative lifestyles (See Changing Ones: Third and Fourth Genders in Native North America). He frequently mentions his "muslim" friend, as though that proves something. All of these statements aren't adding up to me as a real person, or at least, a sane one.</p>

<p>I think we've either got a punk kid copy-and-pasting, or some adult is just playing with us. At best, we have one sad, sad example of a kid who time has forgotten in sands of the Southwest. I'm done with this, it's sad, and if he's a real person, I pity him. But barring the idea of him actually being fairly mentally ill, I don't believe in him. Good thread, to those who stood up for decency and the love that, Christian or not, all of us here should show for each other. It's sad he couldn't join in. Night.</p>

<p>That was a bit harsh, but I can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind.</p>

<p>Also BF
"I No one on this other than aside by brooklyn has asked anything about the racial slurs posted in starting letter - only gay-ness."</p>

<p>Que?</p>

<p>i actually brought this topic up in my christian religion class the other day.
my teacher (who's actually a catholic, but the beliefs are um. mostly the same :P) said that although it is frowned upon by the church and whatnot, she thinks that there's not that much of a problem with it. Everyone in my class agreed. Okay, some people were a bit unhappy at first, but we had a mini-debate about it=</p>

<p>after all, you don't get to choose who you fall in love with. i personally wouldn't be able to fall in love with another girl even if i wanted to, and if people had the choicce, I think that less girls would slend all their high school years fawning over that one hot guy who happens to have a cheerleader girlfriend or whatever, thus destroying all of those "chick flicks" about 'oh my gosh, i love him, bladi bladi blah, i wish i could get over him, but i can't, yada yada yada" they exist because we CAN'T choose.</p>

<p>the same concept goes for homosexuals. they can't choose who to fall in love with. it's not their choice to make, and criticizing them at all about this is plain wrong. </p>

<p>leading a perfect life is...um, a bit hard, if you ask me. you answered me earlier by saying that you had NEVER lied (unless you looped around the question by using my specific examples or something), and I believe that that itself is a lie. no one has not lied. when i was small, i probably used to die daily. and now, i still continue to make little white lies. i realize that it's wrong, but hey, we're all only human.</p>

<p>i'm thankful that at least you disagree with your priest that AIDS was given to humans as a punishment, because to put it simply, that's a bit depressing. I mean, what have the people in Africa done wrong to receive their deaths in such a way? why should they get punished for some of the crazy things that people in America and some of the leading countries do? because i'm pretty sure that more people sin (like sin BIG) in the states and in leading countries rather than developing ones. If people in developing countries were to sin, it would be to steal food from the marketplace or something, purely because they need the food to live.
not because they need to cheat a few big companies in order to get a vacation home in the bahamas or whatever.</p>

<p>Its A Sin Period!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>

<p>Yes, I accept that it is a sin.</p>

<p>But still, no one has the right to critisize them for a sin that they don't purposely commit. Telling a lie or killing someone is something you can control (or so I believe). Who you fall in love with is another story altogether.</p>

<p>Separate the sin from the sinner. Sin or not a sin, Christianity-wise, I believe that it's not fair to criticize or hate a person just because of their sexual orientation or something.</p>

<p>all sinners are the same though....</p>

<p>:(
not really
i mean, telling a lie is a sin, and that makes the person a sinner.
EVERYONE is a sinner.
but that doesn't mean that the person who tells their mom that they only have history homework while they also have math homework is the same as the person who kills someone just because they felt like it.
technically, they're both sinners, but I think that the sinner depends on how on-purpose it was or on how big the sin was.
so not all sinners are the same!</p>

<p>I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, though. :(</p>

<p>I'm a sinner!
You're a sinner (hopefully--or else I'd have trouble believing that you're human :P)
we're ALL sinners.
but not all sinners are sinners at the same.erm.level. haha</p>

<p>I understand but unless a person is saved any level of sin will send you to hell and gays are commiting the same sin every day.</p>

<p>Well, I guess that is true.
<em>sigh</em> God is a bit harsh, isn't he?
But I guess most people would say that it's necessary and so on.
:(
BUT. I still don't think that it's right to criticize people for their sexual orientation, especially because they can't help it. I'm wondering now if being a Christian and a homosexual at the same time is possible...? Kind of random, I know, but what if a devoted Christian (even you for example) one day finds himself attracted to males? You wouldn't be able to help that. So...hmm...I guess what you would have to do here is either force yourself to be with a woman just for the sake of your religion, or to stay single for life. Both would be really tough things to do, wouldn't it?</p>

<p>Because, really, people do just randomly find themselves attracted to the same sex. Or so I hear. I dunno.
:( sorry about all this rambling.</p>

<p>Forcing yourself to be with a woman would then be "living a lie", still a sin, right? My nephew, who is gay, has always been gay. His mother could tell when he was a little boy. We all love him to death exactly the way he is and would not want him to change one tiny little bit. It is a bit of a conflict with "what I am supposed to believe as a Christian". However, there are many interpretations of the Bible and we certainly do pick and choose which portions of it to call our own. I think it is telling how the tenets people choose to follow are the ones that can make them feel self-righteous (at the expense of others).</p>

<p>My point exactly. Okay, not really, because I never even thought of the "living a lie" thing until you brought it up, but YES. That's exactly what I needed. :D</p>

<p>Your nephew seems like a really nice person and is lucky to have people like you as his family. I don't want to imagine what it would have been like for him if he'd been born in a family whose beliefs were set in rock or something... :(</p>

<p>Ick, I guess that is my point, love the sinner - but not the sin. I am not perfect but I try not to sin. I will not have sex until I am married. Having premarrital sex or homosexual sex is not "trying not to sin" but doing it anyway. I don't know what I would do if my child someday is gay. I would love him/her - but still feel it is a grave sin.</p>

<p>My initial post was "very wrong to do us - but, very hard for them to proclaim the lord's word openly against immoral practice" </p>

<p>From what the discussion has become on this thread, that is obvious. It is apparently ok to say that being gay is ok but not to say that it is a sin. The Dean at Deerfield has apparently agreed with this and set up a discussion so both points of view can be heard. It is a shame that kids felt they had to result to a cowardly means of having their voice heard -- but apparently Deerfield is trying to make a good thing result from it.</p>

<p>Sin or no, you weren't chanting "me like guys! me no like girls! me only like guys!" in your mom's stomach when she was pregnant with you (or vice versa for girls)</p>

<p>I don't exactly think it's your fault. It's the same thing as being black (no offense intended black people, just an example) you can't control it, it's what you're born with. that being said, it isn't a crime to be what you are, whether you like it or not. if you're not hurting anyone, then I think that's a sin small enough to be forgiven and forgotten</p>

<p>Ahh. I'm happy now. Alas, we come to some sort of agreement. :D</p>

<p>This is completely random and off the topic (well, kind of) but I love arguing a point that I feel strongly about. </p>

<p>kickme_cuzimcool--I agree with you full on. and BiggestFoot, I was kind of mad about some things you said earlier, but I guess I kind of agree with you on what you just said. Love the sinner, but hate the sin.</p>

<p>I still don't "hate the sin," but in this case, I guess that we'll just agree to disagree. :D</p>

<p>I am not religious, but from what I understand of the Christian religion, God created everyone right? If he thought it was such a terrible sin, then why did he create some humans with more estrogen than testosterone or vice versa? That would be kind of cruel wouldn't it? The Bible wasn't written by God himself, even the Christian religion agrees with this. Several people with THEIR OWN OPINIONS had their input. Perhaps we should stop trying to use it in place of the law, for it justifies many wicked actions.</p>

<p>Allido. You caught me. I cannot type and need to use a spell checker as I cannot spell. I also use a bible study software package (bibleworks.com) and I do copy and paste from it. My goal has always been to read theology (as you mentioned, hopefully not write) at Oxford. I did not bring up my past as it was irrelevant until someone asked why I wouldn't have a gay coach. </p>

<p>Check the tribal index of your book. I know you won't find the Quechan listed.</p>

<p>Finally, although asked earlier, You still have not posted whether you are a parent, current student or applicant.</p>

<p>huh? wait, who are you talking to...?</p>

<p>Dazzle </p>

<p>I think you asking about the following: "At Phillips Exeter Academy on September 19, an African-American girl discovered a racial epithet taped to the door of her dorm room. The next day, a harsh expletive had been etched onto the door of a white girl’s room."</p>

<p>That is from The</a> Phillipian » Gay Students at Deerfield Targeted By Apparent Copycat of SPS Letters that was originally posted on this thread. See PM</p>

<p>allo.
It also seems that my "radical beliefs" are catching on.</p>

<p>Note The Anscombe Society at Princeton went on to embrace positions not just against premarital sex but also against homosexual sex and marriage. Founders have tried to spread its method to other schools, and students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology were the first to follow with another Anscombe Society. </p>

<p>Also note the link that Brooklyn posted. Over 3/4 of the States have and more are passing laws banning same sex marriage and job protection for gays. In fact, the only states that do protect are a few in the NE and the NW. My "radical beliefs" are becoming main line.</p>