Deferred from Uchicago indication of Northwestern result?

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<p>Sam, please see my earlier post:</p>

<p>“You guys are mean…I was accepted to NU and chose Tufts. Maybe it’s the cutthroat attitude that makes people choose Tufts over NU…You should check out the research in that regard and where students are happier. Didn’t mean to illicit such hatred. Sorry.”</p>

<p>Please show me a post where I was rejected by NU on ED filing. This is just a continuous attempt to falsely negate my posts. Please also see Jak21’s post above where I favored NU. I just try to keep an open mind. Sorry if you and other NU alums cannot accept it…if that’s the way you want to portray yourself to onlookers or potential applicants, that is your choice… Also, no need to bash U of C. It is a fine school. There are many excellent choices. NU is an excellent institution, however, your attacks on U of C, Tufts and other fine institutions is not warranted. Some people may like more intimate schools. I just find it hard to understand why NU has to always be claimed as being superior to schools of equal, better or slightly less reputations.</p>

<p>If and when I have children I would be happy if they attended NU or any other schools mentioned above…</p>

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<p>Hey Texaspg, I always like the Fiske guides and analysis of colleges…</p>

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<p>Preference is a highly individualized thing. A website can’t capture it despite them coming with Harvard as number 1 as evidence of the methodology being perfect.</p>

<p>Self reported method does not derive this correctly. Only non-biased polling can.</p>

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The pot calling the kettle black.</p>

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<p>No one here has bashed Tufts or UChicago. Both are great schools and nothing said here indicates otherwise.</p>

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<p>Sam Lee - Those of us affiliated with NU have no need to engage in (hissing) contests or assert alleged superiority over other equally fine schools. It doesn’t fit the Northwestern brand character.</p>

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<p>I’m on my phone so I’ll keep it short.
Once again with the ad hominem Sam Lee… Did I even say I liked parchments ranking? In my first post I specifically said that I thought yield is more indicative, and that you guys were to quick to bash on classclown. And even if I did prefer it (I do not) my arguments, objective is they were, would not be undermined.</p>

<p>Regarding the UChicago vs HYP thing, well it is your opinion that UChicago isn’t there (you didn’t justify it but I really don’t care anymore) I could justify why I, and so many others, consider it on par with those schools in most metrics except prestige among plebeians.*</p>

<p>You seem to think that UChicago has had a cat leap growth in the past half decade, while the opposote is true. It went down in the lates 90s and early 2000s. In the 80s it was definitely considered a peer of the HYP. Go back even further, and you will see the same thing. Right now, most rankings put it VERY near (or even above) some of HYP.*</p>

<p>But if you think all that is just my subjective opinion (and ignore the objective rankings) then that’s alright. I can feel the love I’m getting at the NU forums, so I’ll just leave</p>

<p>Btw, though I think UC is a better than NU, I’m biased, and I also think that UC is superior to HYP (for me). This is entirely subjective. I can see (and know) several people who would pick NU over UC, and that’s just fine. They’re both fantastic schools.</p>

<p>I’d also like to address the severe contradiction in your post. Even after last years jump in yield from 40 to 47 (2011-2012) UChicago was at no.14
They’re at 6 this year(2013). I think that’s fairly indicative of a trend. Especially considering that it is only logical because:</p>

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<li>UCs marketing campaign</li>
<li>UCs rankings (as an international, I can tell you, rankings are the only thing most of my peers even considered)</li>
<li>It’s investments in undergrad quality of life</li>
<li>It’s ever improving financial aid</li>
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<p>There is no reason for this improvement in yield not to carry forth for at least the next few years.</p>

<p>@texaspg
Preference is individualized, bit there is a macro perspective. There are schools that, all individual fancies being equal, are preferred greatly over other schools. With such large sample sizes that average out individual preferences, the yield and the parchment rankings are somewhat important. Harvard at no.1 isn’t the only thing that falls in line with consensus. Most of the top 50 does…</p>

<p>Sorry for any spelling and grammatical errors. I’m speed typing on my phone in a moving bus…</p>

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<p>^you misunderstood and overreacted. I was referring to the yield only when i said uchicago isn’t up there with HYPSM (i wrote, “46.7% still doesn’t belong”) as those schools have 60% to 80% yields. so relax; we know uchicago is an excellent school.</p>

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<p>My bad. I guess I did overreact. And misunderstood what you were saying…
One question (referred to comment #20)
While I know that UC and NU are somewhat competitive (what do you expect with 2 excellent schools in such close proximity with each other), but is there any bad blood between the two schools? I always thought that both schools had great respect for one-another… Are there anti-NU sentiments at UC and vice-versa? My UC friends have great respect for NU, and my classmate who just got into NU is extremely complimentary towards UC…</p>

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<p>@jak321 – UChicago and NU have traditionally had a very filial relationship. Both are excellent schools, and although extremely different in more ways than one, they both serve Chicago and the surrounding areas. In a lot of ways, they are academic rivals, but there’s more than plenty of mutual respect both among the faculty and the student bodies (I’m a NU student, so I’m mostly speaking for the Northwestern community, but I have my fair share of UChicago friends and the respect seems to be mutual). I have never once heard a NU student talk lowly of UChicago, except for the very occasional mention of how UChicago is stereotypically a sad/boring place for college students.</p>

<p>Northwestern and UChicago, if anything, benefit a lot from each other’s presence. They’re both incredibly great schools, arguably the finest in the Midwest (which isn’t to understate their national and international prominence).</p>

<p>That being said, NU has no place bashing UChicago, or really any other school, whether they are perceived to be of our caliber or not. It’s not what NU is about.</p>

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<p>Exactly. There are other top 20 schools where there appears to be an ethos of trying to prove superiority and bash other schools. It’s not the Northwestern way. There is plenty of room for lots of different flavors to exist.</p>

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<p>@MomCares,
Before we get back I’d still like to point out that classclown is not some anti-NU ■■■■■.</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post15014061[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post15014061&lt;/a&gt;
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NU is the better school in my opinion!
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post15014063[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post15014063&lt;/a&gt;
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While NU is a great school, most of the Ivies are better than NU.
CMU vs UC Berkeley vs Northwestern vs WashU
(vs CMU, Berkeley, WashU)
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NU would be my choice
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post14281032[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...l#post14281032&lt;/a&gt;
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These are all excellent choices. I would go with Tufts. I think it is more well known than Haverford. I found Northwestern to have more institutional feel to it. It clearly is not as intimate as Tufts.
All these comments are either downright pro-NU or at least reasonable. I think you’re over-reacting…</p>

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<p>Then the appropriate response is to let them make fools of themselves. There’s one poster in particular who really has an odd hatred of NU - you know who it is, begins with a P. He just makes himself look dorky and unimpressive with his attacks and ironically exemplifies all the stereotypes U Chicago is trying to get away from. There is no need to get down to his level and fling the mud back.</p>

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<p>A couple quick things…</p>

<p>a) No one here has bashed ANY great schools (UChicago, Tufts, Dartmouth, etc.), so let’s put that strawman to rest.</p>

<p>b) For 2011, Northwestern had ~31,000 undergrad applicants, while UChicago had ~21,000. You’d think if UChicago was greatly “preferred” to Northwestern they wouldn’t have ~10,000 fewer applicants in spite of their MASSIVE outreach to HS seniors. S got ~20 expensive mailings + an unsolicited tshirt from UChicago (a school in which he expressed NO interest), in contrast to one mailing from Northwestern (to which he applied). At least 10,000 kids actively “preferred” NU to UChicago when deciding where to apply.</p>

<p>c) Wrt the original topic of the thread, most applicants NU Adcoms review did not apply to UChicago, so it is unlikely there is much correlation between a UChicago deferral and what happens with NU admissions, aside from the indication that you are probably academically well qualified for either school.</p>

<p>Good luck to you!!</p>

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<p>S never received any mails/brochures from NU while he got weekly emails from UChicago, back when he was in HS. Though he never applied to UChicago at the end (no Engg discipline), it was still tempting to consider the school to say the least. It is high time, NU invests time and efforts in promoting itself in the East Coast (where we are from) and other places where it is relatively unknown.</p>

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<p>If you look at the pool of top 20 schools, there’s really little reason to pull out Northwestern to compare to U Chicago except for the fact that they are in the same city. If you were doing a perceptual map of the top 20 schools, you might stick Northwestern with Penn, Duke, Cornell and WashU, as those 5 schools are a lot more similar to one another and dissimilar from U of Chicago. (And people, I am talking about a perceptual map of differences, not ratings. These are all fine schools and I’m not interested in the kind of dorks who pretend that any differences at this level are meaningful.)</p>

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<p>An an NU alum with friends who went to UChicago, I recall that back in the 80s they were in the unique position of having a pretty small number of applicants and a surprisingly high acceptance rate, which always somehow yielded an outstanding freshman class. Clearly the school was attracting a niche group of highly intellectual students who cared about academics but didn’t mind that, at that time anyway, there was a little less in the way of a social life and other typical college activities.</p>

<p>I think UChicago still attracts a different kind of student and therefore the number of applications will always be lower that your typical Tier 1 university, but that sort of self-selection still makes for a quality student body, and based on the billions of mailings the DD received, it appears they have made great strides in making it a more well-rounded place to attend. It may take years, however, for its application numbers to catch up with its academic peers. In the meantime, those figures are pretty meaningless for this particular school.</p>

<p>What does a deferral mean for your chances at NU? Damned if I know.</p>

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<p>Uh…you clearly haven’t done research on UChicago recently. UChicago’s applications have been increasing tremendously in the past few years. For this application cycle, the acceptance rate was 8.8%. How is that “lower than your typical Tier 1 university”? Northwestern’s admit rate for the class of 2017 is 14%, and note that the ED admit rate is a lot higher.</p>

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<p>^Thanks for reviving an old thread. I agree UChicago is a little more selective these day. Please thank me for doing the UChicago promotional for you on NU board. That’s your point after all, right?</p>

<p>If your point for mentioning the ED is that if NU did not have ED, its admit rate would have been higher. Well, since you clearly “have done research on UChicago”, you should know that if UChicago didn’t have EA, its admit rate would have been higher. If their marketing and mass mailing weren’t a lot more aggressive than others, its admit rate would have been higher (perhaps significantly).</p>