<p>katho11- that's ridiculous! if that ever happened at my school i think there would be sit-ins, massive protests, and a supreme court case. </p>
<p>^Yeah, gun laws have gone completely out of control, esp. in the self defense area. Almost anyone can claim self-defense these days.</p>
<p>i think religion belongs nowhere near public/publically-funded schools. and "quiet times" should be strictly prohibited.</p>
<p>When even Robert</a> freakin' Bork comes out against the NRA's view of gun rights you realize there might be something to gun control.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, to katho, that's true at my school too. We're pretty liberal around here. In the Bible belt. -_-;
That is really ridiculous though.</p>
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Why?</p>
<p>And did you see my reply to your question about why I thought it was strange you'd be libertarian if you weren't a democrat?</p>
<p>You know who hillary clinton reminds me of? That freaky waitress in the movie Waiting</p>
<p>^ I was referring to prayer times, but in general, "quiet times" (as in bow your head, close your eyes) at most schools is just another word for prayer, or at least has some religious/spiritual connoations. This has no place in our public schools.</p>
<p>What if it was called nap time?</p>
<p>So, a Muslim kid can't pray to Mecca in school? He has to do it five times a day, one is bound to fall within school hours.</p>
<p>At my school, which had a pretty sizable Muslim population, they simply requested a particular lunch period during which they could pray. That's perfectly kosher.</p>
<p>^ Yes, and that has no place in school. No religion should be given privilege/priority in a public school, whether it is jewish, muslim, or christian. In the problem you bring up, I think schools should build a communal prayer room, or at least build a prayer room for each religion.</p>
<p>And if it was called nap time, we'd be sleeping.</p>
<p>pryo- that's a solution. but I am still conflicted about this going on school grounds. I think there should be a place off school grounds, or at least not inside the building, where students of that faith can meet at designated times (preferably not during class)</p>
<p>so sleep during prayer time</p>
<p>no, no no no that puts pressure on students and gives privilege or priority to a religion. it simply has no place in our public schools. gosh. maybe you should more to iran or something.</p>
<p>Bendrum, I think you're missing the point. Everyone had a lunch period (barring a few insane workaholics...) during which he could do whatever he pleased - basketball, prayer, studying, or even eating. All the school was doing was honoring some students' request to have their lunch at a particular time. The Muslim students meeting on their own had every right to pray (unless they were disruptively loud, etc), and it would breach the First Amendment to say otherwise. Requiring them to do it off-grounds would be discrimination unless ALL non-class activities were off-grounds.</p>
<p>It ****ed me off when I saw the program for the Ceremony, but I switched places with a friend and gave the Welcome thing instead. People looked confused, but whatever.</p>
<p>As for the gun control stuff, concealed handguns make me uncomfortable and requiring stores to do background checks and enforce a waiting period is definitely important. There's no denying that. I just feel that the focus of new gun laws is directed towards the wrong people. </p>
<p>Crack down on the illegal sales of guns, yes, but stop messing with everyone else.</p>
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<p>And for the question of Muslims praying during school hours (didn't refresh the screen before posting), I say go for it. I don't see anything wrong with someone excusing themself from class to pray (unless the teacher's in the middle of a lesson or something like that).</p>
<p>My question: doesn't this praying conflict with eating? Also, requiring them to do it off-grounds would not be discrimation unless the Muslim students were the only ones barred from prayer on school grounds. Non-class activities such as swimming, football, or volunteer work do not have anything to do with religion and do not place one student's belief system in conflict with another students's.</p>
<p>Look, none of you are going to change my mind. I believe that a school's function is essentially to provide student's with an education (i.e. teach them to read and think at a higher level), when did religion get all mixed up in it? (i have the same quesiton for politics)</p>
<p>If it means that our country's school system needs to be reformed, them so be it. Religion (whether it is Judaism or Muslim) has no place in schools. Period.</p>
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<p>Gives me the willies too. That's why i want one with me, incase a guy with a concieled gun mugs me</p>
<p>i won i won i won i won i won i won</p>
<p>Well, considering that over 90% of the world believes in some kind of religion, i'd say you lost</p>
<p>Hah this is amusing arguing with you. But extremely frustrating since you completely missed my point.Somehow I knew you would come back with some kind of a statistic like that. I am by no means waging a war on people of faith. In fact, I am religious myself. I merely said religion has no place in education, period. Now if some nuts want to go starting their own religious schools, (which is in complete conflict with the definition of education and reason for schools) then so be it, as long as they get no public funding. </p>
<p>There you did LOSE. Please, spare me another statistic that you can't back up.</p>