Did YOU Submit All Required Test Scores?

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<p>You’re right. I was being generous when I inserted the word “predisposed” since taking overt steps to characterize one’s academic record as being different from what it actually is goes beyond “predisposed.”</p>

<p>Edit: I saw the other thread where you’re feeling the pinch of a decision. I would hope that if you come clean that they won’t do anything harsh. But do understand that coming clean means that you’re confessing to committing an academic fraud on the school’s admissions committee. That’s serious stuff. Here, on CC, we might all agree that, in the scheme of things it probably didn’t change anything at all (which is why it makes no sense to use Score Choice with an All Scores school). But in academic circles, it may be impossible for them to turn a blind eye to this, even if it wasn’t material to your admission decision. My guess is that they probably don’t want to know; however, if you do tell them , then they won’t be able to ignore it. Do you think they want someone posting on CC that they turned a blind eye to your confession that you used Score Choice? I don’t think they can afford to have that happen because then THEIR integrity gets called into question.</p>

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<p>Alright, I don’t know who you are or where your determined right to judge the integrity of actions in the admissions process comes from. But it’s false to claim utilizing score choice when it isn’t allowed amounts to academic fraud to the same level as making up grades or test scores. And there’s no need to get all sarcastic on me, my opinion is just that, an opinion, as is yours.</p>

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<p>See my edit.</p>

<p>I’m not being sarcastic. I’m giving you a straight assessment. I didn’t compare this to other types of academic fraud. I’m just saying that that’s what it is. I didn’t introduce the concept of relativism. Do you think it’s NOT academic fraud? Not at all?</p>

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<p>To be honest, I knew little about admissions, was given the ability to choose which scores to send, and since the option was there, thought it must not have been a big deal. It was later that I realized that schools take their not honoring score choice very seriously. I know it sounds stupid, but it was a quick decision, and made things easier because ironically enough the scores I choose not to send were also removed from my transcript and I thought it would look odd for them to be on the official report and not my school transcript. I realized later it probably was a bad choice on my part but didn’t think it mattered because I didn’t think I would be going to the school I am now going to attend. I was only offended because I meant nothing malicious or otherwise when doing that, it wasn’t like I spent hours plotting how I could get away with ignoring the schools score choice policy. I have decided to call my regional admissions officer (for which I had another question about AP scores anyways) and hope for the best.</p>

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<p>For Colleges that require all scores: if you take the ACT and SAT, and happen to score much better on the ACT, do you still have to send your lesser SAT score? Or does this policy mean you send all of your ACT scores only and not your SAT if there is such a large disparity?</p>

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<p>@ curbyourfear:</p>

<p>Each college sets its own policy. Macalester is an “all scores” college but they make it crystal clear that scores from both testing organizations are not required:</p>

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<p>Yale welcomes scores from both, but doesn’t require that they be sent from both. They just say that if you send one score from one testing organization, you’re then obligated to send all scores from that organization (except that, in the case of ACT, you can self-report scores after sending one set of official scores):</p>

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<p>The answer to your question is to check with each specific college you apply to. There’s no one uniform, all-encompassing answer that covers every college.</p>

<p>And, if I may make a more generic point to nobody in particular: why would anyone come to such a conclusion? You check with them to learn the deadlines. You check with them to learn what supplemental materials are needed. You check with them to know what the application fee is. You check with them to see if an interview is required. One may notice a pattern here that should guide applicants as to what they need to do regarding test scores.</p>

<p>That’s why I don’t buy the story from people who say, “Oopsy daisy…I was doing the same thing for all the colleges I was applying to and never realized that I wasn’t supposed to use Score Choice!” Especially when it’s the school they end up attending. How can someone look up the test policies for all those other schools and then just work on the unfounded assumption that the school they liked enough to attend would operate under the same rules? Did they write an application fee check for $50 to that school, too, because all the other schools wanted $50 – only to find out that their preferred school has a $60 fee?</p>

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<p>^^Thanks for all of that info!</p>

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<p>@D’yer maker: Only some schools list your scores on your transcript, which they arent suppose to in the first place, personally my school doesnt( I informed my guidance counselar to remove all my scores not send them etc.) so Im not worried, but I dont plan on using score choice at schools like Cornell etc. anyway , since there is a “risk”, which after a discussion with a friend I’m not willing to take lol. Most top schools accept score choice, so there are many options etc. etc.</p>

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<p>You have repeatedly insisted that schools aren’t supposed to include your standardized test scores on transcripts, but what’s your source for that? A self-serving College Board statement that’s designed to generate revenue by forcing kids to pay for test scores to be sent?</p>

<p>Macalester’s Admission Office clearly has a different take on what information can be included in a high school transcript. I submit that they have a better grasp of what high school transcripts can and cannot include than you do.</p>

<p>Your school transcript may contain lots of extraneous information beyond grades received in classes taken at your high school. And if your school prepares information one standard way (with scores) and you ask them to remove the scores especially for you, a college might notice that if they receive transcripts from other applicants who attend your high school. A college guidance counselor who is aware of a “top school” that has an “all scores” policy might choose to not remove scores if they thought that, by doing so, s/he would be assisting a student who wishes to use Score Choice. Or, that same guidance counselor might get a request from a “top school” that s/he wants to maintain a positive relationship with, and – for the sake of his/her career and the interests of other applicants from your school – deliver your corrected, complete high school transcript in the school’s standard form (with all test scores included, if that’s how that school normally rolls).</p>

<p>You’ve said that you arranged to have the scores removed from your transcript, but it’s entirely possible that they will reappear in later updates. (The school secretary may get it right the first time, but will s/he get it right for each of the reports that get sent out to colleges?) Or consider that a teacher or your guidance counselor could use his or her recommendation to note how you rebounded from poor SAT scores in January and how you really applied yourself to bring the scores up while taking a demanding course load. That would be a very positive, well-meaning statement that is entirely within the relevant material that can be shared…and, yet, at a “top school” asking for “all scores” where you submitted only May test scores, it could land your application folder in the reject bin post haste. So much for it being “impossible” for those schools to get wise to the scam. lol.</p>

<p>I liken your request (to have your high school remove your test scores from your transcript) to being one to remove all disciplinary activity from your transcript. Sure, they may tell you, “Yeah, okay…fine…whatever…” but if you give them a request to send a complete transcript to a college, they’re apt to do just that. They’re not bound to honor College Board’s Score Choice program (though they may now make it a practice to do so, for transcripts sent to Score Choice institutions). If a college guidance counselor, who has his or her own interests to safeguard, knows that some colleges require all scores (which is likely going to be the case for those “top schools” that are on everyone’s radar), a student/applicant may learn that s/he doesn’t have as much control as s/he imagines when it comes to telling the high school what to omit from the school’s standard, complete transcript format. Or, more likely, the student will never learn that the transcript contained all scores despite the request to omit them and, if the student’s having really bad luck, s/he would just get a rejection letter in late March, remaining totally clueless that the college caught on to what the student tried to do.</p>

<p>If this decision is based on playing the odds, consider this. You’ve claimed that a college won’t learn that an applicant used Score Choice. I contend that it is much more likely that the applicant will never learn that the high school transcript or some other piece of information slipped through and exposed that the applicant used Score Choice.</p>

<p>That said, I think the odds are low that the AdComs at “all score” colleges are pointedly looking out for Score Choice users. Their jobs are complicated enough without going on side adventures through applicant files in hopes of finding toxic fruit. And getting discovered may not necessarily result in a fatal blow to your application. But it could happen…and in easily foreseeable ways. It’s not this impossible-to-detect scam that you have claimed it is. And even though it seems you still fail to grasp the ethical reasons to comply, it’s probably a good thing for your application that you’ve wised up to the fact that there are “risks” involved that you’re not willing to take. lol.</p>

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<p>@Dyer maker- for “all score” colleges, if I send my ACT and my subject sat tests, does that mean I have to send all my SAT normal tests as well to that college?</p>

<p>or is it okay if I just submit my ACT and SAT 2’s, also would I have to submit all SAT 2’s even if I have taken more than 2?</p>

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<p>^Yes to both questions. All means ALL. Think of it this way: if you use the score choice feature (hardcoded) on CB, then you’re doing something wrong.</p>

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<p>I have a couple of questions. So far, I’ve taken the SAT I twice (2040, 2030). I scored lower by 10 points on my second one (I think because of my essay, but it’s subjective…).</p>

<p>I also took the ACT and got a 33 without studying (which is the equivalent of a 2190?). how will schools see this disparity in my ACT’s and SAT’s? I’m planning on retaking these test in the fall. any suggeestions as to retaking the ACT or SAT, or both?</p>

<p>I have two 800 in physics and Math II, but a 580 in world history (sick). How will schools see this?</p>

<p>It’s really tempting to omit some of the crappy scores I’ve had… :(</p>

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<p>^schools will see a student with above-average scores, both on the SAT and ACT. It is not advisable to test more than three times because then it looks like you’re obsessive.</p>

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<p>^ And here I just thought my daughter would look like she just wanted to see how she improved after she took more high school classes. Now, I am questioning her tactic to take #4 next week??</p>

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<p>So if you decide to send ALL of your scores to a school through the “registration score send” option on the collegeboard website, do your old scores get sent first, then the later ones sent later? I don’t want to order 2 reports because then I’ll have to pay extra. So does anyone know how this system works? Is one report only for 1 send and that’s it? I’m worried since my final test date for subject tests are in december and I want all of my scores sent, but I’m worried that my new ones one get on time, so maybe collegeboard might send my old scores first?? please help!</p>

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<p>I don’t think it works like that. I think one report is sent, after the exam is scored, and that one report shows the exam results along with all prior test results. Check with your colleges directly. They will tell you which test dates they consider. Some schools say Dec or Jan results are ok for RD.</p>

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<p>jerzgrlmom is correct. However, drarfwarri sent me his question privately and I responded a couple days ago and posted it on College Confidential’s “Ask the Dean” column. See [Confusion</a> over SAT Score-Sending Timetable - Ask The Dean](<a href=“http://www.collegeconfidential.com/dean/archives/confusion-over-sat-score-sending-timetable.htm]Confusion”>http://www.collegeconfidential.com/dean/archives/confusion-over-sat-score-sending-timetable.htm)</p>

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<p>Hey I decided to bring my question over here since you guys seem pretty knowledgeable, so I haven’t taken my SAT II’s yet and I have to take two of them. I was thinking about taking the one on October 9 and then the one on Nov 6 however ED applications are due Nov 1. Would I be able to add in my scores from the Nov SAT as a supplement or something? Would that be frowned upon? And if so should I take both SAT II’s on the same day in October? Thanks in advance for any help.</p>

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<p>laxbro40–It seems far more cost effective (in terms of your time as well as money) to take both tests in October. However, if the thought of preparing for two tests in just a month is freaking you out, then contact your ED college (sounds like you have one) and ask if November Subject Test scores can be considered. In most cases, you’ll find that they will be, but it makes sense to get this confirmed by an official at the school that will be receiving it. (And if you haven’t yet connected with the admissions rep who oversees applicants from your high school, this could be a sensible way to do it.)</p>

<p>If you do take the second test in November, and if the test is required by your ED college, I suggest that you use one of your “free” score reports to send the score to that college ASAP. In addition, once you get your score online, ask your school counselor (very politely, of course) if he or she will phone, fax, or email it to the college (especially if it’s good!). While you’ll still need to follow up with an “official” score report from the College Board, some admission committees will appreciate having an unofficial one to work with first … especially if it comes from a high school honcho, not from you.</p>

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<p>I would send all my scores, but I can’t really afford it… high school registration, college application fees, AP tests, they had up quickly.</p>