Just wondering for those recruits who were given verbal commitments by an Ivy coach, how they fared with the admissions decision, what the academics stats were that led to rejection/acceptance, especially for the non football/baseball/basketball sports? Many current junior athletes are meeting with Ivy coaches, some receiving unofficial commitments pending their academic results (since most have not taken SATs and junior yr grades are not available.) Hopefully those athletes who already went through this process can share so one can get an idea how stringent academics and test scores are in getting an athlete accepted/rejected into an Ivy college.
I’ve sat in on several junior year meetings between Ivy League coaches and prospects and have never heard a coach make a “verbal” or “unofficial” commitment, even to highly desired prospects. That’s because they are constrained, by league agreement, from making such commitments.
That said, the general rule is that in “minor” sports 700+ across the board on all SAT sections and Subject Tests and a 3.8+ unweighted GPA with a rigorous course load does the trick.
Ivy school coaches and younger recruits commit ‘to the process’ with everyone (supposedly) knowing that making grades and test scores are part of that process.
There’s some good detailed discussion of this on the Tier One athletics site blog posts that might be of interest and which comes to a similar conclusion as sherpa mentioned, though with slightly lower numbers (680 per section, 3.7 -> 210 AI). But sherpa was talking about lower priority sports specifically so that makes sense.
The Tier One author mentions that as a ballpark for the average recruit at Harvard (based on an overall school average of around 225). It should be similar at Yale and Princeton, and maybe ~5 points lower at the other five schools, as those numbers are a bit lower for the overall student populations at the other five.
Obviously that’s an approximate average and there’s a distribution around that, with more room for lower numbers for higher priority sports and higher performing individuals within a sport, and vice versa for lower priority sports and individuals.
Thanks @bluewater for the reference to Tier One blog http://www.tier1athletics.org/blug/ In regards to the AI, as @sherpa mentioned the college board tests generally should be above 700’s. When one inputs the numbers into the “formula”, some sections can still be in the mid to high 600’s, with the others being nearly perfect and still have the AI at or above 225. Does anyone know if that one 600 range section had a negative impact on admission for the minor sport athlete despite having an acceptable AI?
Speaking of Tier1…their AI calculator seems to be non-functional. And when I recently emailed them (at their suggestion) to get an AI calculated for my daughter…have not heard back and it’s been over a week.
@SevenDad This is the AI calculator for the new SAT I used, using Google Chrome, and seems to work well. Just have to double click on the numbers to change them.
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The problem with that calculator is that all the fields are editable. So everytime that someone who doesn’t follow instructions messes with a formula field, the spreadsheet breaks. I’ve used it successfully, but today it is broken again.
@dadof4kids: That was my experience on a few tries last week.
@justverycurious: If you’re referring to the the one linked via the Tier 1 site, I’ll look for it again, but see my comment above.
FWIW, I used another online calculator and generated an AI for my kid, but would love to have Tier 1’s calc to compare it to.
@justverycurious are you looking for actual acceptance stats with slots from coaches ?
@fbsdreams Yes, I was hoping for recruits (either accepted or rejected) to post their academic stats who were recruited by an ivy coach
My son’s friend last year to skills position :
1260 SAT
28 ACT
3.6 UW
this year also skills position :
1300 SAT
29 ACT
3.6 UW
I believe SAT II subject tests scores ranged from 680-720.
Both accepted and were highly recruited by Ivys.
what sport @fbsdreams?
@Sam-I-Am football
Son’s other friend this year (football) - lots of interest and three offers but was told he would be rejected due to ACT and did not get score up.
SAT 1240
ACT 23
3.5 UW
@justverycurious if your interested in Top Tier DIII (MIT/UChicago/etc) shoot me a PM.
ACT generally needs to be 33+ for HYP and 2200 for old SAT. UW GPA of 3.8+ and APs. For football, hockey and Basketball a bit lower and a bit lower for stats for other 4 ivys (Brown, Cornell, Penn and Dartmouth)
@tonymom I believe this is where the AI and banding comes into play as well as recruitment and the sportt. I know quite a few HYP FB in the last two cycles that had stats atleast two standard deviations from your numbers.
Maybe football and hockey?..
I know those are stats for my son’s sport and from the recruits I’ve spoken with the expectation is pretty firm. Again I think there may be more wiggle room at the other four ivys listed.
The league uses an AI and a banding system for all sports. The coaching staff will know the team average and have a team goal, but I can absolutely guarantee you that it’s only an average. Also getting self reported scores from recruits isn’t always the most valid source.
HYP have 1900 SAT/28 ACT student athletes on baseball, basketball, track .etc. … as well as football and hockey in the last three seasons. They also have 2400(1600) and 35+ ACT.
@justverycurious : Bottom line, as long as you are in the 90th percentile and have the athletic ability you absolutely have a shot. Communication with recruiting staff is critical.
The Band 2 Floor for football at Yale is 195. My son had a 3.6 and 1280 on the SAT and was accepted with a 198 AI score. His index put him in Band 2 at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. Was told a 200 would get him into the next band.