diversity in high schools

<p>As the mother of a white male, I have assaulted my son with the following tirade after he said some ridiculous thing about women being so “touchy.”</p>

<p>You can NEVER know what it is like to be black, a woman, an asian, whatever. You might be able to imagine, make thoughful conjectures or insist that YOU would never be offended, but don’t you ever be so presumptous to think that you know what it’s like because you can’t. ** It’s impossible. ** So when someone else tells you what it IS like, how THEY feel, you’d better damned well listen. And don’t you DARE say that they shouldn’t feel that way because you have NO IDEA. All you can do is take their word for it and when (not if, but when) you unwittingly offend someone, you simply apologize and try to assure them that you offended out of ignorance and not malice.</p>

<p>I think everyone should have this said to them at some point…child or adult, colored or translucent.</p>

<p>This thread has headed off in so many different directions that I don’t know how or if this fits…but the most interesting thing my son has said to me about race since he’s been at Exeter is that–white, male that he is, he feels like he has a lot more in common with the Black and Latino (not sure about Asian) kids than he does with many of the white guys–that the former have parents like his (teachers, middle class professionals, etc.), similar values, education, and family closeness. To him wealth feels like more of a divide than race. Even then, he’s quick to say that while kids do segregate by wealth or ethnicity, the boundaries are pretty permeable. Dorms and athletics seem to be the main basis for most friendships.</p>

<p>Ifax,</p>

<p>I don’t even know where to start. Hmm.</p>

<p>Let’s see - I’m a middle aged African American woman whose physician husband was once told in a grocery store that he couldn’t write a check over $99. In front of my children. With $300 in groceries in the basket - in a store we’d shopped at for years. It was a new night manager. My husband walked out and the next day I stormed in and demanded to talk to the store manager – who made excuses but became embarrassed when half the staff and a number of customers recognized my husband as their physician and started to give him shout-outs as he walked by. Needless to say we demanded the store reshop my grocery list (I faxed it) and then call my husband and children in for an apology. We donated the proceeds to Harvesters.</p>

<p>Two weeks later, I watched - with humor - as a KMart manager flirted with the white woman in front of me then helped her arrange her layaway, but then told me I couldn’t write a check without proof of residence - a utility bill. The driver’s license (current) business cards (I was a manager at a major corporation), a Gold Amex and all my other ID didn’t count. After some prodding he signed off on my purchase and told me not to come back without a “utility” bill. I don’t like complaining to low level people, so I wrote the board of directors and attached a local news article about my family shot at our house as our “proof of address.” I got an apology and a local charity got a nice donation at my request.</p>

<p>I tell you that because I’m always fascinated when people state * “I’m white” * and * “here’s how I think it should work for everyone else” * in an environment already stacked in their favor just because he/she or some random family member has peripheral contact with a culture seen mostly from outside.</p>

<p>The purpose of Affirmative Action (which frankly is a dead concept since the Bush Administration) was to correct a longstanding - and still ever present habit - of qualified people getting pushed to the side in favor of lesser qualified white applicants. Even then, most minorities hated it because those who were well qualified were tagged as unqualified charity cases.</p>

<p>I remember my former employer putting together a “diversity” committee headed by a rich white male whose son attended the same private school as my daughters. Said “son” routinely came to school on a daily basis and made racist comments. The executive was subsequently interviewed for a school recruitment video in which he said the advantage of diversity is so he children can see that “not all children are like us, or meant to be like us.” A Jewish woman saw the video and told me to ask for it. It took a week to pry it out of their hands and even then they asked if “so and so” had told me about it. See - she was the only Jewish person at the school and they were hoping to pull in more. So they deduced she spilled the beans. I then shared the video with the only Black board member - a prominent lawyer - who pulled his children out of the school and told us to do the same one year later after failing to “fix” the problem. (We were both full-pays with more than one child at the school so I’m sure it hurt them) </p>

<p>So – it’s great to have opinions. But your attitude is precisely why there are systems in place to counteract them. You don’t know what is going on in our day to day lives. I especially take umbrage with your idea that all those “other” groups don’t deserve to be in the Black/White argument. Tell that to the Japanese descendents held in camps here in the US. Or the Chinese treated like slaves. Or any Latino kid who is called slurs and assumed to be an illegal resident.</p>

<p>The point we’re trying to make is you don’t get a vote on how OTHER people should be dealing with what has become their day to day reality.</p>

<p>Please Google the controversy when Roger Ebert weighed in his opinion on the difference between the “N” word and “slave” and which he’d rather be called. TO which there was a firestorm from people informing him he didn’t get an opinion because he’d never be called either. He responded - “You’re right. I should have just shut the “F” up!”</p>

<p>(sorry to the others for being impolite, but good grief - my daughter and many of her ethnic friends expend a lot of unnecessary energy trying to deflect BS from kids like this when they are trying to just be normal kids)</p>

<p>The tell - when I sat with a young lady and her parents at a recent event. The parents invited my daughter to their “summer home.” We invited their daughter to our home in reciprocity. We live in a very large metropolitan city. The girl exclaimed “I’m so excited. I’ve never been to a small town before.”</p>

<p>Walk in our shoes, sweetie, then tell me if you’d like to trade. In the meantime - the diversity events aren’t there to make “those” kids more comfortable. They’re made necessary to educate kids like you who think limited outsider knowledge and a few hours of shows on BET has made them an instant expert in all things related to people of color.</p>

<p>We are making progress. We elected President Obama.</p>

<p>Sunrise…yes you would like to think we are making progress, with President Obama, but in the eyes of many AA it hasnt really been enough.</p>

<p>My D, AA, but very fair and thought of by many as biracial, still has the same type issues as Exie beautifully discussed. She is still being thought of as a “charity” case, though she is not a special program kid but a school scholarship recipient, like many non-AA kids. The first term many kids of all races just thought she should be happy to just survive, being AA and all. She not only survived but did exceptionally well, highest GPA on her hall of 18. </p>

<p>My d doesnt do sports, but is a dancer, others thought maybe she did “hip-hop/BET pool dancing” and down played her experience. Later, while watching her, others realized that she was a 12+ years dancer who had danced with the likes of Alvin Ailey and Joffrey ballet companies. She is a classical ballet dancer not a hip-hop street dancer. </p>

<p>Others are surprised that she has traveled and studies Japanese and Chinese not Spanish and/or French.</p>

<p>All many AA kids want is what MLK stated years ago: “to not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”.</p>

<p>Once this is done than many “programs” will not seem so selective.</p>

<p>AA bs students want to be identified as: BS students, english-loving, soccer playing, dancer, etc. They just want to be teens growing up. Nothing more or nothing less.</p>

<p>I’m sorry. I have a problem with this, posting, and then rethinking. Not really a CC issue. Just thinking about the HS graduation rate among AA males. Different forum.</p>

<p>No problem. I saw you deleted your post and I deleted my query to it as well.</p>

<p>“I think affirmative action shouldn’t be based on race, it should be for income level.”</p>

<p>interesting.
this thread has gone off on so many different tangents, so i’m not sure if this is even relevant anymore but…
i’m from a low income (and i mean really low) family and i’m asian. we’ve never been able to afford a tutor or anything and i started earning money at age 9 to help pay for extracurriculars (the typical asian piano lessons- how ironic), but at the end of the day people still expect me to play the piano (i do), be good at math (i am), and get overall good grades (i do). but i work really, really hard for all that and i hate that most of that doesn’t get recognized because it’s already expected of me (this means you, boarding schools). and it doesn’t quite make sense to me (and i don’t mean to offend anyone) as to why asians make up only 4.5% of the US (AAs make up ~12) but they’re so over-represented at boarding schools/universities.</p>

<p>because we work hard?
i don’t even know :confused: sorry if this sounded mean/racist, that wasn’t my intention at all. i’m genuinely curious.</p>

<p>as for affirmative action, is there any proof that these students of color are any less qualified than the “regular white males”? i’ve never seen it, so…</p>

<p>Thanks Dive for saying that. It really helps us make our point that “color” is inclusive and the stereotypes are hurting everyone. It’s not a black/white issue anymore. </p>

<p>Well said!</p>

<p>Sigh… I will probably delete this too… kudos to you DiveAlive. I am sorry you don’t seem to get anything for your hard work. I will assume you are not in California, where hard work pays off in UC admissions, no matter what your race.</p>

<p>I will just fantasize for a minute, about how it might feel to grow up with folks expecting the best, instead of the worst. I am not being sarcastic. I get that the individual odds might go against you, at least in “top college” admissions. But what about the odds of the group? What does that feel like? I’m genuinely curious.</p>

<p>Please forgive this indulgence. When I was in elementary school, I tutored an adopted girl from china in math. She taught me how to write Chinese letters, and they gave me great things to eat! (I am black). One day she told her parents I stole a watch. The police came to my home. Pretty scary! But that was expected. I heard they “sent her back”.</p>

<p>@ExieMITAlum,
I’m sorry if my post offended you. Believe me, I wasn’t trying to offend you or anyone. </p>

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That wasn’t what I was trying to say. I don’t think that “other” groups (Native Americans, Latinos, etc) don’t deserve to be in the Black/White argument. I was saying that the Black/White argument probably isn’t the same as the Asian/White argument or the Native American/White argument, or the Black/Mexican argument. So, just grouping it under one flag, I didn’t think was a good idea.</p>

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Ouch, I got served there. </p>

<p>Again, I’m sorry if my post offended, and it was out of ignorance, not out of malice. And, these points I covered in this post were not to tell you how to feel, it was to clarify what I was saying in my previous post</p>

<p>Ifax,</p>

<p>Apology accepted. It’s a touchy subject and a lot has changed since I was a BS kid, and then again, not much has changed and it’s painful for some of us now that we have children having to navigate the process. One of the reasons Taft rose high on the list is because the faculty really “gets it” there. I’ve talked to a lot of staff members and the head of Admissions and I’m really impressed at how much less racially focused their activities are.</p>

<p>I appreciate your sensitivity and now understand the query wasn’t meant in malice. Thanks for saying that.</p>

<p>I wish you well.</p>

<p>This has been a most interesting and informative thread. Thanks to all of you. </p>

<p>And stealth1, I’m not sure who to whom you are referring, but everyone who has responded to this thread so far would be great around the Harkness table, IMO. From my perspective it appears that you might be the one to have the difficulty around the table as you’re PM’ing the OP. Perhaps you’d care to share your thoughts with all of us.</p>

<p>at ExieMITAlum </p>

<p>I am a middle-aged Puerto Rican mom, who has experienced racism also. I have stated this in another thread. When my parents purchased their first home, the neighbors(150) signed a petition to try and stop the sale. They were outraged because they thought we would devalue their homes. This was not that long ago(late 1960’s).</p>

<p>ifax180</p>

<p>You are just not aware of the racism experienced by other groups. Every ethnicity has different experiences. This is why diversity at a college campus is important. Everybody brings a different perspective. We all have a lot to learn about each other.</p>

<p>I do think that the issues of this thread are good topics for the college forums of CC, where there are a lot more people inputting different points of views. The prep school forum is highly unbalanced with few people involved. The diversity issue is not one unique to prep school in any way and I don’t see significantly different perspectives can be generated from this discussion.</p>

<p>Thanks @smiley girl. I do think that it’s easy for people to think the problem is fixed and we should all sing kumbaya. I bought a luxury SUV ten years ago and was followed for years by police while they checked to make sure the care wasn’t stolen. I got used to it after a while. The good news is now most of the police force knows me by name - (luckily in a good way). And it’s still well known that if you own a home you have to sanitize it of all ethnicity in order to sell it.</p>

<p>@DAndrew - the advantage of this isolated segment is because although the issue are similar - the “students” involved are not. Younger. Less experienced. And Boarding school pretty much has a pathology of its own.</p>

<p>@stealth. All views are welcome even when we “spar.” You need to walk your talk - 5 posts doesn’t suggest much interest in being part of the community.</p>

<p>For whats its worth, ill throw my two cents in. I think Neato hit it on the nail when she said the segregation lines in BS lie not in the races but in the wealth.<br>
On the other hand, I am glad to see that the one area where discrimination and snobbism are allowed in polite society remains meritocracy. Take that you Loomis student from the intellectually superior Exeter alum.
Which brings me back to the OP - the original question as I understand it was - "does anyone have any issues with private day schools (NB - not BS) having special mentoring programs for children of color. While I am somewhat beige, sometimes pink, and on certain sleepless nights green, I am not black so cant speak for the African American population that the term we must suppose addresses. However, I do wonder whether its not too presumptios of a school to say that you kids are different and we must help you with the experience of being in a school that is not majority African Americans. What? Havent we moved on from there? And arent actions like that hold us back?
ps I too used to have a luxury SUV and I too have been followed by police - they cant even see who is driving it when they follow you.</p>

<p>That was my not-so-evil twin, classicalmama, not me, who said that it runs along class rather than racial lines. :)</p>

<p>Mea Culpa 10 char</p>

<p>I do not know OP or his/her intention in starting this thread.</p>

<p>However, I do find it inappropriate for adults to be belittling a child. Let’s keep the sparring and insults among consenting adults and give the students a break. Making snide comments about OP or OP school does not further the discussion.</p>