Do elite universities really matter?

<p>In a word: YES.</p>

<p>Take a look around you. Take a look at the struggling economy. Although the numbers don't say it, people out there are struggling paycheck to paycheck, living hand to mouth. And many of these people are NOT high school dropouts. In fact, many are college educated people, many of whom even have Masters degrees.</p>

<p>I think that what will happen in the future is that the US will become even more bimodal. The rich and elite members of society don't give a damn about the economic crisis. If anything, they are benefiting from it because that means they get a bigger piece of the pie (which would normally belong to members of the middle class) so they probably want this economic crisis to keep on going because they get more and more of the pie. Meanwhile, the rest of society will either have to push themselves to become the elite, or become the lower class. I predict a very bimodal US society in the foreseeable future, with a small but very influential upper class, and a large struggling working class. The working class won't be homeless or on welfare, but they are definitely working paycheck to paycheck and are teetering on the brink so that even if they lose their jobs only temporarily, they will get hit hard. And the elites don't give a damn, either. </p>

<p>So with the middle class dwindling, I think that there will be more emphasis on getting a top notch education because that may be the only path to a secure future in this country. Whereas in the past, going to your local state university would guarantee at least a secure job and happy future (a ticket to a stable, middle class life), that is no longer the case because many college graduates themselves are struggling to pay the bills. </p>

<p>So I think the elite universities (the Ivies, Stanford, etc.) will definitely benefit from the economic crisis because more parents will try to send their children to these schools. They know through example that many graduates of average universities are struggling to survive while elite school graduates are continuing to receive job offers by the minute. Short of a nuclear apocalypse, elite university graduates can still get jobs even if this whole country falls into a major recession or economic depression. </p>

<p>Look at the job market. In a bad economy (like right now), companies can only recruit from so many universities. But companies STILL need new employees; the only difference is that they are much MORE selective. So these top companies can only recruit from the Ivies, Stanford, Michigan, the Top 25 - 30 universities or so (maybe even only Top 15 to 20). </p>

<p>If you want a good job in an uncertain economy, the only way to hedge against that uncertainty is to go to an elite university.</p>

<p>I'm not advertising my alma mater; in fact, I'm a graduate of a US News Top 50 university. But in this tough economy, many top companies have stopped recruiting at my university. Yet, these same top companies continue to recruit at Harvard, UPenn Wharton, NYU, etc even though they cut ties to my Top 50 university. It's a harsh reality and something I wish I learned earlier in my life.</p>

<p>To prospective college students, aim for the most brand name university out there because THAT will protect you against a slumping economy. If the economy is doing very well (like it was when I applied to my Top 50 university), then going to a top notch school is less important because companies will recruit across a broader spectrum of schools (including even some TTTs: third tier toilets). But no matter what, in a good or bad economy, an elite university degree will make you marketable. If you went to a TTT, you can only get a job during a thriving economy (like the late 1990s when ANYBODY with a college degree and a pulse could get a good job -- I miss those days).</p>

<p>Companies only care about where you went to graduate school. money isn’t everything, anyways.</p>

<p>Companies care GREATLY about the brand name of your undergrad school.</p>

<p>If you went to an average or a lousy undergrad school, going to a top notch graduate school definitely helps (e.g. John Chiang, a Chinese American who serves as controller of the state of California went to University of South Florida undergrad, but he went to Georgetown Law so he was able to “make up” for going to a lousy brand name undergrad). </p>

<p>But more and more people from elite universities are entering the job market directly (and not going to graduate school) so companies are seeking them more.</p>

<p>that’s a myth perpetuated by the “elite colleges” to get youto go there.</p>

<p>It’s. to use crude language, “stupid,” to higher someone because of the school he sent to. Seriously, he could’e been a legacy, and some people even turn down those “top colleges” to go to a college hat actually cares about the undergrads.</p>

<p>It is SO WRONG to go to Harard just because you think it will help you make money.</p>

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<p>And if you can’t afford the brand name, like most people who choose not to attend, than by-golly go into debt! Take out copious student loans! That’ll definitely protect you against a slumping economy!</p>

<p>Thank you, sir, for your sound economic advice.</p>

<p>Kelsey, these days the elite private schools are CHEAPER than the top public schools because of their phenominal financial aid packages. Finances SHOULD NOT be an excuse for someone to turn down a higher ranked school because private schools are doing everything they can to ensure that individuals from all socioeconomic backgrounds can attend. Of course, rich people in the highest income bracket will not get a lot of FA but that’s because they can afford to pay full freight. If you’re being stingy about money, then that’s your loss…</p>

<p>Kelsey, listen to evil<em>asian</em>dictator, because he’s EXACTLY right.</p>

<p>Like I said, it’s a very tight job market right now, and just to land a GOOD job, a degree from a top university is almost a MUST.</p>

<p>And if you’re Asian (East Asian particularly), if you DON’T attend at least a Top 25 - 30 university, forget about getting a job PERIOD. An East Asian who doesn’t attend a Top 30 university (with the exception of NYU) is totally unmarketable b/c he’s COMPETING with ALL the East Asians from the top schools who want the good jobs. Do you think that big time companies can just hire all Asians? </p>

<p>Evil<em>Asian</em>Dictator and most East Asians know this.</p>

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<p>No. Someone who attended Harvard will lose a job to someone who attended a less-prestigious school, but is better qualified. Of course, many times the person who attended Harvard is better qualified for reasons other than attending Harvard, but that’s beside the point.</p>

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<p>Employers hire based on qualifications, not school attended (at least for undergrad; grad school is a somewhat, though not entirely, different story).</p>

<p>Most asians I know are going into premed or engineering or Comp sci. Premed may fill but engineering always has a demand somewhere. For those going into CS, the jobs are basically limitless. Also, look at the top engineering/comp Sci schools, they are about 1/3 asian at most. Having an IT company have 1/3 asians seems about right to me.</p>

<p>The asian population isn’t that large so chill. It’s not like we make up 25% of the U.S. and are all going to Top 25s.</p>

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<p>Which is why we’re best suited to start thinking globally instead of focusing on how to maintain power in this country. This period will probably be known as the rise of other world powers, so I think just focusing on the US is a little naive.</p>

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<p>Ironically, many of the leaders in this “stuggling economy” came from elite private schools.</p>

<p>Some places care about where you went to school by brand name but those are companies you might want to be weary of anyways. I would figure that you should major in what you like and try to get a job thats high in demand and be good at it then you will be hard to refuse.</p>

<p>So.</p>

<p>There’s a struggling economy. Which conclusion naturally follows?</p>

<p>1) It’s difficult for many families to find a means to afford expensive things, despite price-cuts, or scholarships, etc.
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2) Finding the money to attend a top institution has never been easier! In fact, things are so grand colleges are throwing money to every middle-class student who applies. People who can’t make the ends meet are being “stingy.”</p>

<p>Go to USC. The alumni network is AWESOME. You’re sure to land a sweet job upon graduating. You don’t need to go to a “top” school to get a good job offer. If by elite you mean Ivy/Top 10, then no, they don’t matter in terms of getting a good job.</p>

<p>USC sure has some hot girls, as a sidenote.</p>

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<p>Wow. That’s…not even kind of true. Most people who don’t attend do so because they weren’t accepted. Period. The schools financial aids have gotten very generous in recent years. Not to say that its a full ride for anyone but that’s where they’re heading.</p>

<p>Yes it does help create a mystique about you. Differences sell. I know being a William & Mary grad has always set me apart in the states Ive lived (NC, VA, FL). State school alums are a dime a dozen esp in the South. So it helps to stand out in that regard. </p>

<p>Now there are regional issues. Amherst or Grinnell or Pomona wont sell in the South. Duke, GTown, W&M, W&L, Vandy, Emory, Rice, Davidson, and Wake Forest get the most respect. UVa and UNC come close but again the prestige is diluted by the sheer volume of grads. Tough to be elite when there are tens of thousands of you.</p>

<p>So, yes it makes a difference but recognize the regionality of “prestige”.</p>

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W & M is a state school last time I checked?

I must admit though this is possibly one of the most overlooked points about the top public universities.</p>

<p>It depends on a particular situation if an elite school degree is going to help. It can even impede. THere are jobs where most of the folks are from local schools, and they are not comfortable with anything else. </p>

<p>My good friend who graduated from a small LAC that is not well known recently got a very prestigious and highly desired job with a major university. One of the requirements for the job was a master’s, and she fretted about hers which was from some unknown school/program that is now gone. Didn’t make a bit of difference. She was the best person for the job, they liked her, etc, and she got the job. You would have thought that since it is in academia that it would have really been an issue but it was not. Anecdotal, yes, but I see this happen all of the time. I would not say it makes no difference where you get your degrees, but I don’t think it is the most striking thing. If it is, you have a problem.</p>

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<p>I should have been more specific; I assumed my meaning would be clear. I was speaking about most people who are accepted and yet choose not to attend (that’s what we’re talking about in the thread, correct? The idea that someone should attend the most prestigious school then can gain acceptance to.)</p>

<p>If you really think we’re getting close to “a full ride for everyone”, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s really naive. Do you think the university is going to run completely on alumni donations? Most schools can’t live off their investments and interest. Someone has to pay, and I would wager that a majority of college students don’t have full rides (let alone most.)</p>