DO NOT go to a Non T14 Law School!

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<p>This topic has been beaten to death. </p>

<p>Do you have to attend a t14 to have a succesful and fulfilling career? No. </p>

<p>Are you likely to make the amount of money people expect from lawyers if you don’t attend a t14? No. </p>

<p>Does this entirely depend on the individuals specific goals, financial situations, expectations, geographic preference, etc? Yes.</p>

<p>The farther down the rankings you go is does it become increasingly likely that even finding any legal employment is going to be tough? Yes.</p>

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<p>Yes, and this situation really annoys me when I see high schoolers and college freshmen come on this forum, asking how to get into HLS.</p>

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<p>I said to get a decent job in the current environment, you have to go to a T14 OR graduate in the top 10%. And don’t tell me that your all going to graduate in the top 10% because you have a 90% chance of not. </p>

<p>Those who fail to graduate in the top 10% or from a T14 can look forward to doing low paying document review or working in traffic court for peanuts.</p>

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<p>Most third tier toilets in the NYC area cost $45k a year. After you multiply that figure by 3, add in all of the other expenses, like textbooks, school fees, loan interest, etc. At the end of the day, you have a $150,000 law degree. Do you REALLY want to gamble with $150k that you will be able to find a job with a TTT degree? According to the ABA, in order to make your loan payments, you need to make at least $65k a year. But at the NJ Third Tier Toilet School of Law (aka Seton Hall) only half of graduates made that much.</p>

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<p>Homer, Homer, how many lawyers do you know who graduated from less than t14 and are jobless? I know about 10, some from T3, some from T4, guess how many are unemployed and struggling without job, eating Ramen noodles and *****ing about life? NONE. All have a normal job, have money to pay off loans, drive a BMW or a Mercedes (or whatever everyone else drives) raise kids and go on vacations. And we’re from Chicagoland area, where there is a fierce competition with Northwestern and UoC graduates. So, what can I say about your doom and gloom prophesies - not true. There is plenty of work for everyone. The only folks who don’t have work are poor IT guys, since everything is sent out to India and Latin America. That’s the sad truth.</p>

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<p>Both Homer and June are exaggerating wildly. Of the two, Homer is closer to the truth than June is.</p>

<p>“…the ugliest market for lawyers — particularly in Wall Street-fueled New York City — in more than a quarter century.” [Unemployed</a> and Struggling Lawyers Seek Solace - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/unemployed-and-struggling-lawyers-seek-solace/]Unemployed”>Unemployed and Struggling Lawyers Seek Solace - The New York Times)</p>

<p>“If you don’t win the $160K lottery, chances are you’ll be clumped into the left-hand side of the curve, earning somewhere between $30,000 and $60,000 a year. That’s the kind of pay that a lot of people can get without three years of post-graduate education and six figures of debt.” [The</a> Two-Track Lawyer Market - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/the-two-track-lawyer-market/]The”>The Two-Track Lawyer Market - The New York Times)</p>

<p>“As they enter the worst job market in decades, many young would-be lawyers are turning on their alma maters, blaming their quandary on high tuitions, lax accreditation standards and misleading job placement figures.” [Irate</a> law school grads say they were misled about job prospects | NJ.com](<a href=“http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/08/irate_law_school_grads_say_the.html]Irate”>Irate law school grads say they were misled about job prospects - nj.com)</p>

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I guess a lot of people are going to have to look towards joining the NJ ARNG if they are planning on going to a TTT. lol. At least they could go for free on State Tuition Waiver…

Yes, all we see around here are entry level BMWs or MB (ie. 328i, C300, etc). Driving a BMW or MB is no longer a status symbol. Heck you can get AMG or BMW E46 M3s for real cheap now anyways.</p>

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<p>Homer’s right and everyone here knows it. If they’re disagreeing it’s either because they’re in law school, are going to to be in law school, or they just like to argue.</p>

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<p>Non T14 law school grad here. Got a good job in private practice right out of law school, did that for a while, and now have a position with the federal government that I really like. There’s no question that job prospects are tougher for lower tier law school graduates, but it is certainly not true that only the T14 grads get good jobs.</p>

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<p>lol at the kids talking about driving around a mercedes as normal life. Kids life is going to hit you hard (of course unless you live with mommy and daddy your whole lives). </p>

<p>And Andrewsky, it’s not that homer doesn’t have some valid reasoning. It’s that he is very much exaggerating. No one is saying it’s not tougher the farther down you go, but if you go to say, iowa, the majority still have solid careers (this doesn’t mean they have to be in the top 1% of income earners).</p>

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<p>Well, I’m glad to see people here get it. The fact it, there are too many law schools. The ABA needs to stop accrediting new law schools in order to control the supply of lawyers. Some law schools perhaps need to be shut down.</p>

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<p>Legally they are not allowed to stop them Homer. There was a court case about it.</p>

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<p>Andrewsky: What case?</p>

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<p>Uhhh, I am pretty sure Andrewsky is mistaken. Although, he is welcome to prove me wrong if possible.</p>

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<p>He’s probably talking about this:</p>

<p>[Competitive</a> Impact Statement : U.S. v. American Bar Association](<a href=“http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f1000/1034.htm]Competitive”>http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f1000/1034.htm)</p>

<p>Which really only stops them from using faculty compensation as a criterion for accreditation.</p>

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<p>I found this to be an interesting read</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07clerkside.html?scp=1&sq=&st=nyt[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07clerkside.html?scp=1&sq=&st=nyt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>OP’s suggestion may make sense if the students does not end up with the bottom 30%(?) of the class. It is like going to a top UG college only end up with bottom 30%(?). Would there be much bright future not to mention the debt in these cases?</p>