Do the Dreams of Undocumented Youth Count Too?

[cavilier]

<p>How is need determined? Their incomes are unreported.</p>

[KevinSF90]

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At the very least, children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t receive more privileges than children of legal immigrants – I can understand if you’re promoting equality (which it sounds like you are), but I feel it’s wrong to have special benefits that only children of illegal immigrants can partake in.

I know, but don’t you think this at the very least is a step in the right direction? The way you phrase it seems like it’s wrong to grant a humanitarian benefit to education that is well deserved. Rather than striking down this act, can’t there be a revision or another act to incorporate the other concerns? Yes, I do want equality, but also, I think this act is one step in the right direction. In the event that we can’t have it all at one time, I’d rather have some people have some of it first. That’s just how I feel. The sentiment I’m getting here is: “If Party A can’t get Party B’s benefit, I’d rather no one have the benefit.” rather than “This can be one step in the right direction.”</p>

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Kevin: The problem of this act is that it diminishes one of the natural hindrances for illegal immigration (you are more motivated to become an illegal immigrant if you know that your children will not be penalized for your actions).

I know what you’re saying, but that doesn’t mean we can just ignore the youth’s access to education that are already present here. If they here, I think it’s appropriate to let them go to school if they are eligible to so that they can contribute to our society. I think the smart people here in this country can think of other ways to limit illegal immigration besides restricting access to education of the youth due to their inherited status from parents…</p>

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I don’t think it’s right to encourage the parents to illegally immigrate by telling them that their problems are gone after one generation. I don’t want to punish the blameless children but I also don’t want to encourage illegal immigration.

I know that, but considering the pros and cons, I think it’s more humanitarian to grant the youth access to education that they worked for. If they are able to get into top schools, I think they should be allowed accessibility to attend such schools. There could be other ways to discourage illegal immigration, but I don’t think taking the youth’s opportunity to higher education is the right way. Sorry, but I am sympathetic to those poor families.</p>

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Further, this act does not particularly improve access of illegals to governmental financial aid, so I am not totally convinced that it would make the college education for them more affordable

I think that because they would qualify for in-state tuition, accessibility will be improved. “As importantly, it would make it easier for undocumented students to receive financial aid, without which many of these students cannot meet the costs of attending college, even with in-state tuition.”</p>

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[CasaAtreides]

<p>I’m not too sure anyone will be willing to answer this question, but I’ll ask it anyway:</p>

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Minor immigrants automatically get citizenship when their parents naturalize.

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<p>Is there anyone to call to ensure that this happens? Immigration offices? Local government officials who will then shake up the proper people? </p>

<p>You see, while both my parents received their citizenship last year, my citizenship application was denied for a reason beyond my knowledge. I have been a permanent resident for quite some time and did not expect things to turn out this way.</p>

<p>And yes, I’m a minor.</p>

[artinka]

<p>Kevin:

1. in fact, illegals are not denied access to a college in the U.S. (it is not against the law for them to go there), so they are not prevented from enjoying this benefit (this may not apply to all colleges, but UC’s for example do not care). That is why this act will not make much difference.</p>

<p>2) again, access is restricted more by financial situation then law for illegals, so that argument does not apply (as I said, it will not give them more money).</p>

<p>3) do you also know that once you are a citizen (which you would become after six years according to this act), you can also ask for most of your relatives abroad to become citizens as well? That would mean granting citizenship to a great amount of unqualified people while the more qualified would still often be turned off as they are now.</p>

<p>4) This is not true. “The federal Dream Act legislation DOES NOT include any language about in-state tuition”. [In-state</a> tuition | DREAM Act Portal](<a href=“http://dreamact.info/students/in-state]In-state”>In-state tuition | DREAM Act Portal) Thankfully, California grants this right anyway. And in the end, there are special outside scholarships for illegals, but they exist in insufficient amounts.</p>

<p>And finally, yep, I think that something is needed to give the illegals the right to FA since many of them are incredibly smart, had to surmount great obstacles to get to the top colleges, and therefore this nation would likely benefit from their talent (if this act did that, I would be willing to overlook the discrimination-of-legals thing). The thing is that this act is not a step in the right direction in any way. The needed act would have to be way too different (most importantly: improved access to FA; in case of the citizenship, restrictions placed on the immigration of their relatives; greater selectivity of applicants to the program).</p>

[artinka]

<p>Casa: look here. [USCIS</a> - Biological or Adopted Children Residing in the United States](<a href=“http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD]USCIS”>http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d4c3a3ac86aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD). I think you should be granted the citizenship if you meet all the conditions.</p>

[anon23806243]

<p>I haven’t closely read this thread since I first posted on it, but I thought it would be relevant to mention that a recent CNN Opinion poll showed that 81% (±3%) of all Americans actually support the idea that working, tax paying illegal immigrants should have a path to legalization.</p>

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<p>It shouldnt matter if you are documented or not rich or poor. Give all students low cost loans-whenthey graduate they should all be on equal footing. My hard earned money is not my child’s money so why deny him financial aid yet give to someone whose parent may or may not have paid income tax. Give them all loans-then they will all have equal debt.</p>

[anon23806243]

<p>Just an FYI, apparently the DREAM Act has been put into the defense authorization bill along with DADT-repeal. If the filibuster can be broke, the DREAM Act will pass (according to Joe Biden, they have 55 committed yes votes and two Dems and 5 GOPers have not made a final decision).</p>

[panchovilla1221]

<p>The California DREAM Act will be either signed or vetoed by the governor tonight. It was passed by the senate a few weeks ago. </p>

<p>This will provide undocumented students with much needed financial aid</p>

[Liquidus]

<p>According to Wikipedia, the 2010 National Defense Authorization Act, which includes the DREAM Act, was filibustered by Republicans on Sept 21st.</p>

<p>[DREAM</a> Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“DREAM Act - Wikipedia”>DREAM Act - Wikipedia)</p>

[123456789bc]

<p>the undocumented youth need to quit dreaming, wake up, and get to work</p>

<p>(but yes, they matter)</p>