Do you think the ACT has become more of a marketing ploy?

With all of the test prep that is available today, it is possible for almost anybody to get a 36. Granted, you may have to study hard, but it still holds true.

I really don’t think that the ACT is a good indicator of your placement in the educational system. I think that far too many people get 36’s (yes, there are a lot of smart people out there, but still). The test prep involved learning certain concepts and these concepts have remained fluid throughout the years on the ACT. Essentially everyone knows what will be on the test, concept-wise, if they use ACT prep books.

Had people not had these resources, or if the test was changed up more often, I believe that the ACT average would be much much lower. Not nearly as many people would be getting 36’s. Now, I’m not saying that people who got 36’s didn’t deserve it, they probably studied hard (or didn’t, I guess). I’m just saying that studying hard and memorizing concepts does not give a true indication of where you place in the grand scheme of things, just as it wouldn’t on any other test. If you spend hours memorizing math formulas when you should have been learning the actual content, and then your teacher sort of switches up the questions, are you going to do that well? Probably not. Whereas, if you did the same studying, and your teacher put very similar concepts on the test, you would be able to (for lack of a better word) regurgitate the information and get a decent grade.

I have really come to believe that the ACT has become something more to make money for colleges, publishers, etc. The test costs money to take, and most people end up retaking it. ACT prep costs money, ACT tutors cost money.

What do you guys think about this?

**I should correct myself. I more so meant that many people are getting extremely high scores, not specifically 36’s.

I don’t believe this. Why aren’t any of these people posting on CC?

Is the problem really that “too many” people are getting 36s?

Look at the stats. 32 is 98 percentile. 33 is 99 percentile. 34-36 is 99+ percentile. I see 35’s posted on CC, but rarely 36’s.

Anybody can get C36?

Tell that to the 50% of the country that is stuck under C20.

Out of the class of 2015, 1,924,436 kids took the ACT. 1,598 scored a 36, or 0.083% of them.

You think that’s too many?

A very tiny % of test takers get a 36.

Google “how many people get a 34 35 36 on the ACT” for more information.

As far as I know, each test is curved to ensure an appropriate score distribution.

Oops, double posted with #4.

That number is vastly inflated by the mandatory testing policies and state contracts. Tens of thousands of students take the ACT for school who aren’t college-bound at all.

my daughter got a 36…she studied and did practice tests, but is also very smart. I think it is hard to get a perfect score, and not just because she got one!

The OP’S original argument was anyone (which includes the non college bound, the slackers, anyone with a pulse) could get C36.

Getting C36 (heck, even C30) is not easy. Let’s not diminish the hard work these kids put in.

Yes, the tests are out there. But there are very few students willing to take the 10+ practice ACTs usually required to get to a perfect 36, or close.

A 36 is a rare score. It requires a ton of preparation and a little bit of luck.

That’s not true. Inherent intelligence/ability is a large factor.

I can assure you that no matter how much professional coaching and hard training I do, I’ll never qualify for the Olympic swim team.

Given enough time, I think anyone can get a 36 on the ACT. But high school has a finite duration.

And what about the SAT?

@marvin100 , I like your optimism! It’s a really good quality to have in an educator.

But I’m a realist. I know plenty of people, even if you give them 10 years, will never, ever get even C25. Yes, I agree, anyone can learn, for example, Math. But how much is the key. Algebra might as well be a foreign language to some people.

I’m more of an SAT guy, tbh, @mmk2015 , but I definitely think it’s doable. Doesn’t take that long to learn algebra under the right conditions. The hardest part to gain ground in is reading–which is my specialty–and I believe that in 10 years anyone who doesn’t suffer from cognitive disabilities can master SAT/ACT reading. Heck, I think anyone over the age of 16 can do so in 3-4 years. Most don’t have that long, though, and I don’t think starting early is a good strategy.