Does a 180 help?

Graduate School Law School
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<p>Aside… you know… from Woody Allen’s son?</p>

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<p>But Harvard didn’t…and Yale suggested he take time off, which he did. And he went to Simon’s Rock, not a regular CC and finished Bard with a 3.9. If my recollection is correct he majored in bio.</p>

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<p>Being the son of a famous actor doesn’t hurt either</p>

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<p>Agreed, but I think in his case, it really had more to do with mom than dad…He did a lot of humanitarian stuff and it’s mom, not dad, that inspired (or orchestrated, depending on your view) that.</p>

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You must be from xoxo. Its unfortunate the xoxo shtick can’t get a wide enough campaign to wake some of these kids up. </p>

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***? Head over to xoxo so you can get a proper beating. You seem like the type to go into 250k debt for HLS instead of taking a T25 full ride. Your type is the reason HLS had such a poor showing in OCI last year.</p>

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<p>To be fair Adam, I’m not sure I’d go to a top 25 on full ride at this point- and I actually have that option- rather than a partial at a top 20 or better. Too many legitimate horror stories out of GW etc.</p>

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<p>So full ride from something like Emory/ND vs. half at Vandy/USC/UT? </p>

<p>Is a T15-T20 really worth an extra 125k? And in all fairness GW almost out placed GULC in OCI last yr.</p>

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<p>My first cousin is at GW. Top quarter of his class. 2L OCI? Not even a sniff from big law. I vouch he has strong credentials and is very personable.</p>

<p>Not sounding so hot. GULC also has a very large public interest segment of their class. But yah- something like half at UCLA vs. full at UIUC.</p>

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<p>I’m a senior at Yale, where pretty much everyone wants to go to law school. A lot of my friends have taken the LSAT, after studying for it for months. Almost all of them scored a couple points lower than their average practice test scores – often even lower than their first practice test score. One of my friends was studying for months, consistently getting 178s, and then ended up with a 173. Still good, but not AS good. For whatever reason, the practice tests available (even the “real” LSATs) are always easier than the actual thing. </p>

<p>I actually don’t think studying beyond familiarizing oneself with the test is actually that helpful. I scored in the mid-170s with almost no prep at all, beyond learning the format of the test and practicing some of the logic games. The LSAT isn’t that “learnable,” I think. You pretty much think that way, or you don’t.</p>

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<p>That’s interesting. Do you know if your friend at Yale was taking all of his PTs under test conditions (i. e. with a time constraint)?</p>

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<p>Yes, he did take them under time constraints, as did I. It’s common knowledge that just about everyone does a few points worse on the real thing than they do on practice tests. Even my BF (who’s at a T5 law school) did.</p>

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<p>No. It’s pretty learnable. I’d even wager that people scoring in the low-160s can work their way up to the mid-170s with hard work and practice.</p>

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<p>The general wisdom (with which I agree) is that you can raise your score about 10-15 points through studying. So it’s … sort of learnable. A 165 getting to a 175 is a big freaking deal. On the other hand it’s not as if a 145 can get himself up to a 180 just by studying.</p>

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<p>Yeah that’s probably true if you’re scoring in the 160s on the practice tests. But once you hit 170 or so, I think a lot of the rest of it is just luck.</p>

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<p>Right. Obviously a cold 175 is not 15 points improvable.</p>

<p>EDIT: Well that was a dumb post on my part. I meant that you’re right in terms of what you said, and that you’re right for semantic reasons as well.</p>

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<p>Increasing a 175 by 6+ points could be done, but only by Capt. Kirk (who would rewrite the test code just like he did for one of his Starfleet exams). :D</p>

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<p>People who are ready for law school don’t start threads like this…</p>

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<p>“That’s interesting. Do you know if your friend at Yale was taking all of his PTs under test conditions (i. e. with a time constraint)?”</p>

<p>I think people overemphasize the importance of taking PTs under test conditions. When I did my PTs, I took 10 minute breaks between each section (to rest my eyes). The only PT that I took under test conditions time wise was the last one (never took a PT in noisy conditions), and I scored my PT average (175+) on the test day.</p>

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<p>Yes, yes it does.</p>