<p>collegealum314: I know that but it is true at Med schools too.</p>
<p>Have you seen the intake at good medical schools it is next to impossible to actually make it to the top medical school from UC Santa cruz and it is one of the top 100 colleges.</p>
<p>But the point is that it seems everyone realize the value of the brands in this modern world and it is so prevalent in US. </p>
<p>Check out LV (Louis Vuitton) or Burberry or Rolex or Pattik Philips or Ferrarie or Porsche. People love to talk about and don't feel shy to talk about it.</p>
<p>But when it comes to brand name education people out here try to say one and work for another.</p>
<p>You will find tons of people onthis board itself that say I'm not interested in Ivies or MIT or UC-B but then go home and spank children to work for it.</p>
<p>I prefer to say that I really dig brand name education as other brand name things in life and these do provide you more recognitions.</p>
<p>I think that Post #17 makes a really good point. Just going by college acceptances does not necessarily tell the picture unless you know, or the school has disclosed through an accessible Naviance link, the number of applications to those colleges. For example, high school students have their own "hot" lists, which vary from year to year (What's popular, etc.). </p>
<p>Also, some private Catholic schools send a large number of students to Jesuit colleges, because of student preferences. My daughter, now at a prestigious U, went to an excellent private; several in her tiny class were accepted to Ivies, as the students were quite accomplished & very ambitious; but in the class that followed her, only one student applied to an Ivy (Brown), & was not accepted. It was not a reflection on the school that the student was not accepted. She had a 3.7 GPA with almost no weighted courses and only sports as an e.c.(The school's highest acceptance that year was to Georgetown.)</p>
<p>But 4 or 5 years previous to my D's graduation, there was a similar class to my D's class, with a "flood" of Ivy & similar acceptances. It's really the class and the individual students, more than the school.</p>
<p>We had a parallel experience at the private elem. school of my 2 daughters. There would be years of uninspiring or uninspired graduates, who would go to the favorite average neighborhood parochial high school. (Even though there are several outstanding privates in the region.) Then a class would come along that would have 8 graduates going to excellent private high schools. Better students, that's all. </p>
<p>At some high schools you'll see consistency, year to year, in college admissions. At others it will come in cycles (as above). In those cases, if you work out the averages, it may look as if they're sending one per year, but an averaged history is not an indicator necessarily.</p>
<p>I don't know that I buy everything in Post #19.</p>
<p>OT, a friend told me Burberry is considered not cool in UK.</p>
<p>epiphany:
"At some high schools you'll see consistency, year to year, in college admissions. At others it will come in cycles (as above). In those cases, if you work out the averages, it may look as if they're sending one per year, but an averaged history is not an indicator necessarily."</p>
<p>I was only talking about schools that are consistent in sending chunk of students to top colleges year after year otherwise certainly averages are not a good indicators.</p>
<p>Why TooRich? I dig Burberry specially the Blazers "Checkones".</p>
<p>Not too sure and I forgot the reason she told me because I'm not a fan of that brand anyway. Maybe somebody from UK can help out.</p>
<p>POIH: "You will find tons of people onthis board itself that say I'm not interested in Ivies or MIT or UC-B but then go home and spank children to work for it."</p>
<p>Haha...that's true. Anyway, if you want to look at the value of a school in getting in a student into med school, you should look at people that could have gone to a better school but didn't. Compare the Med school admissions of two groups of Harvard undergrad admits: one group that went to Harvard and the other that went to state schools. I'm no fan of Harvard, but the average student there is smarter than the average at UCSanta Cruz so just looking at med school matriculation numbers doesn't tell the whole story. </p>
<p>You also might want to look at where people from top med schools went to undergrad. If you google schools on-line, sometimes they have them listed.</p>
<p>Parent of Ivy Hopeful is considering (or in the process of) spending tens of thousands of dollars on an elite private prep school to give her daughter a better chance at an elite university. That is quite reasonable since that is the biggest reason people spend that kind of money (unless they are rich) on something that is free (high school).</p>
<p>There is a big overlap in student applications between MIT and the Ivy league. The older members will recall that the Justice department filed an injunction against the "Overlap Group" (The ivies plus MIT) because they were sharing information about student aid. Obviously MIT would not have been part of this group if the students were mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>I'm not sure anybody will be able to provide you a definitive answer as to why some high schools send many kids to HYPSM and some send many to HYPS but not M. If you have the option of sending your kids to a prep school that does well at getting into HYPSM, that sounds like your safest bet. </p>
<p>Regarding legacies and special admits at MIT: I read somewhere (sorry, can't remember the source) that there are two admission officers assigned to MIT legacies to insure they get a "fair evaluation". Whatever that means ...</p>
<p>russ: yeah, they claim they review the application of a legacy a second time. Ben Jones, an admissions officer at MIT, claims he has never heard of a reversal of a rejection, though.</p>
<p>I am not into labels, and often find them a huge waste of money</p>
<p>Some people care more about other things beside name recognition, just saying "I went to Hahvad" isn't enough for most people</p>
<p>and with more amazing studends getting rejected from the Ivies, and going to "second tier" schools, saying Ivy League will actually have not as much prestige as in the past</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with obsess with prestige. Most people who purchase an expensive car is in the same category.
POIH has only child, so he has more hope pins on his D, that's normal. Most immigrant has high hopes for their children. In fact, that is one of the reason why they immigrate in the first place eventhough they might have to suffer themselves initially.</p>
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<p>I think it's more than enough for most people. It may not be fair but it's true. Believe it or not it's a BIG reason why many students choose to go to Harvard (more so than the other top schools).</p>
<p>To answer the OP: </p>
<p>Here's my take on it:<br>
1) the Ivies form a sort of "relationship" with certain private schools (and even public ones- my high school had a relationship with Yale - 1 student per year relationship but that's more than we can say for any other top school): there's an unspoken agreement that we'll take around X number of students from your school and you will say good things about us and get the top kids to apply. It self-perpetuates very well since the juniors see all the seniors getting in and think they have a shot, and the matriculating students end up being a pretty good bunch. MIT has such a relationship with some of the magnet publics such as Thomas Jefferson & some other science schools. But it's rarer for MIT simply because there are fewer good science high schools vs. good private high schools.</p>
<p>2) Reputation-
When I applied to MIT from my high school I got reactions of a few types: type 1 told me how little my chances were, we send a kid to MIT once every decade or few decades; type 2 asked me why the hell I'd want to go there it's so nerdy and everyone kills themselves; type 3 wondered what "an MIT" was. I believe that some number of kids pass through each year (the high school was very big) probably capable of getting into MIT, but because of our history w/ MIT or its reputation at our school (or lack there of) or because they simply didn't know anything about it, they end up not applying. If we sustained a huge flux of applications over a few years (if they applied to MIT like they apply to Harvard/Yale) I bet we could get one every two or three years in the very least (like for Harvard).</p>
<p>One of the kids who had initially posed the "why MIT- suicides suicides!!" question actually ended up falling in love w/ the school the year after (heard a lot more about it from me during my freshman year there) and applied early, along with several of his friends.</p>
<p>3) Legacies-
I think it is a factor. Most people who send their kids to private schools are well off and value education. Likely, they were educated at a 'brand name' school themselves, or at least far more likely than the average public high school parent. Like if in a year Harvard accepted no one from Andover or Exeter, then, I can imagine there would be some very angry alums. That factor also helps to keep the wheel rolling.</p>
<p>Hope I have helped. I bet there are others but I think it's time to study for finals. :P</p>
<p>well, many people look beyond the name of a school a person went to and look at the person, and aren't so impressed with saying Ivy....</p>
<p>I don't elevate people by the college they went to....</p>
<p>well, you're not most people. simple</p>
<p>POIH...in regards to medicine, that is not true to an extent. A few people who went to our local state school, rutgers, got into harvard med. similiarly, a few people from penn state got into harvard and yale med. I also know of someone who went to harvard for premed and ended up at mt.sinai med school. By all means, that's a great med school, but certainly not up to the likes of harvard or stanford med. for med school at least, its more the person then it is the college.</p>
<p>yeah, I tend to judge people by their character and values, not where they went to college, guess some people are just into names</p>