college matriculation data

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<p>Did some calculation based on Andover's published college matriculation data, and thought some of you might be interested in my findings.</p>

<p>I calculated the percentage of students that matriculated to the following schools between 2004 and 2008: Ivies, MIT, Standford, CIT, Amherst and Williams. You can replace some of the lesser famous schools in the above list (like there's any) with a combination of Duke, University of Chicago, Washington University at St. Louis, and should come up with about the same result. Here they are:</p>

<p>2004: 30.7%
2005: 36.6%
2006: 32.4%
2007: 32.2%
2008: 35.7%
Average: 33.5%</p>

<p>I could do this for Andover only so far. Anyone else knows which school has detailed matriculation data, where you can find total number of graduates and their distribution in colleges?</p>

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<p>Milton has one in their viewbook, the only one I can remember is Milton —> Harvard (only harvard, none else) which was in 08’ which was like 23%. (34 to Harvard was in the viewbook, and in my acceptance letter it said they have a maximum for each class at 150…)</p>

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<p>34 to Harvard in a year, principalviola?</p>

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<p>Yeah… After that the big one was like a 12 or a 7… Not sure which one, though.</p>

<p>34 probably has something to do with the fact that Milton will have a lot more Hvard legacies than a school farther away… The few schools above it in Harvard are like Roxbury Latin etc…</p>

<p>I’ll go look for the viewbook and write it all out.</p>

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<p>Harvard
34
Brown<br>
22
Penn<br>
18
George Washington<br>
16
Wesleyan<br>
16
Yale<br>
16
Cornell
14
Tufts<br>
14
Colby<br>
13
Georgetown<br>
12</p>

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<p>Ohhh, I see… That’s not 07-08, it’s 06-08</p>

<p>This is PrepReview ranking thing… It’s paid but I copy/paste off of another post (it’s accurate, can confirm that). Though it lists a bunch of other information, check the XX% and that will be Ivy+MIT+Stanford… The SAT is on the old scale for some schools, and the new one for others… You can tell, usually</p>

<p>1 St. Paul’s School NH 34% 2049 20 unranked 13 9 17 1 : 5 19 9th-12th Coed School $37,250 (USD) $334 million (USD)
2 Deerfield Academy MA 32% 2040 17 12 18 unranked 20 1 : 5 19 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $27,000 (USD) $36,130 (USD) $308 million (USD)
2 Milton Academy MA 32% 2062 8 8 unranked unranked 5 1 : 5 11 9th-12th Coed School $29,550 (USD) $36,775 (USD) $140 million (USD)
4 Groton School MA 31% 2100 7 unranked 20 unranked unranked 1 : 5 13 8th-12th Coed School $29,890 (USD) $39,850 (USD) $237 million (USD)
5 Middlesex School MA 30% 2010 9 16 unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 19 9th-12th Coed School $31,075 (USD) $38,850 (USD) $78 million (USD)
6 Phillips Academy Andover MA 29% 2008 11 4 18 unranked unranked 1 : 5 14 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $27,450 (USD) $35,250 (USD) $623 million (USD)
6 Phillips Exeter Academy NH 29% 2073 20 12 unranked 13 10 1 : 5 19 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $26,600 (USD) $34,500 (USD) $806 million (USD)
8 Noble and Greenough School MA 28% 1355 19 unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 19 9th-12th Coed School $28,900 (USD) $33,300 (USD) $42 million (USD)
9 St. Albans School DC 25% 20 unranked 4 unranked 10 1 : 7 14 9th-12th Boys School $28,860 (USD) $40,824 (USD) $35 million (USD)
10 Lawrenceville School NJ 22% 2020 unranked unranked unranked unranked 9 1 : 8 11 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $30,010 (USD) $36,820 (USD) $200 million (USD)
11 Hotchkiss School CT 20% 2015 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 18 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $28,315 (USD) $33,310 (USD) $357 million (USD)
12 Choate Rosemary Hall CT 19% 1332 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 6 19 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $27,350 (USD) $37,300 (USD) $213 million (USD)
13 Hockaday School TX 18% 1990 unranked 12 unranked 2 unranked 1 : 14 19 8th-12th Girls School $20,805 (USD) $38,045 (USD) $100 million (USD)
14 Peddie School NJ 17% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 6 10 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $26,900 (USD) $35,500 (USD) $249 million (USD)
15 St. Andrew’s School DE 16% 1305 unranked unranked unranked 19 unranked 1 : 5 11 9th-12th Coed School $35,500 (USD) $170 million (USD)
15 Belmont Hill School MA 16% 1340 6 unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 10 9th-12th Boys School $27,900 (USD) $33,590 (USD) $47 million (USD)
17 Blair Academy NJ 12% 1855 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 6 21 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $30,000 (USD) $41,600 (USD) $61 million (USD)
17 Taft School CT 12% 1293 16 unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 6 19 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $27,300 (USD) $36,800 (USD) $172 million (USD)
19 St. George’s School RI 11% 1291 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 19 9th-12th Coed School $24,550 (USD) $36,550 (USD) $95 million (USD)
19 Indian Springs School AL 11% 1305 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 8 18 9th-12th Coed School $14,825 (USD) $27,500 (USD) $25 million (USD)
21 Cate School CA 10% 1310 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 19 9th-12th Coed School $27,700 (USD) $36,350 (USD) $60 million (USD)
21 Concord Academy MA 10% 2023 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 6 14 9th-12th Coed School $30,580 (USD) $37,820 (USD) $41 million (USD)
23 Cranbrook Schools MI 8-10% 1921 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 8 16 9th-12th Coed School $23,900 (USD) $32,900 (USD) $150 million (USD)
23 Georgetown Preparatory School MD 8-10% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 8 16 9th-12th Boys School $22,650 (USD) $39,650 (USD) $80 million (USD)
23 Loomis Chaffee School CT 8-10% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 14 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $28,000 (USD) $37,000 (USD) $150 million (USD)
23 Northfield Mount Hermon School MA 8-10% 1202 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 15 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $26,900 (USD) $37,100 (USD) $137 million (USD)
23 Miss Porter’s School CT 8-10% 1865 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 8 18 9th-12th Girls School $28,350 (USD) $36,950 (USD) $87 million (USD)
23 Emma Willard School NY 8-10% 1910 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 5 16 9th-13th (PG) Girls School $22,000 (USD) $34,800 (USD) $102 million (USD)
23 Episcopal High School VA 8-10% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 18 9th-12th Coed School $35,650 (USD) $126 million (USD)
30 Kent School CT 5-8% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 19 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $31,300 (USD) $39,900 (USD) $73 million (USD)
30 Webb Schools CA 5-8% 1300 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 7 19 9th-12th Coed School $27,860 (USD) $39,170 (USD) $15 million (USD)
30 Woodberry Forest School VA 5-8% 1310 unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 8 19 9th-12th Boys School $33,700 (USD) $165 million (USD)
30 Culver Academies IN 5-8% unranked unranked unranked unranked unranked 1 : 9 15 9th-13th (PG) Coed School $21,000 (USD) $28,900 (USD) $157 million (USD)</p>

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<p>Yes, but I have solid historical data. :)</p>

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<p>From this I can get all the historical. I will try to get it all. :)</p>

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<p>The Handbook of Private Schools tracks the top 6 colleges attended by the most members of the 2008 graduating class. This information is from the 2009 edition to be published in June:</p>

<p>Out of 185 grads in 2008, Milton sent 12 students to Harvard, 8 to George Washington, 7 to Brown, 7 to Wesleyan, 6 to Penn and 5 to Yale.</p>

<p>Out of 302 grads in 2008, Andover sent 16 students to Yale, 15 to Stanford, 13 to Princeton, 13 to Penn, 10 to Georgetown and 9 to Harvard.</p>

<p>You know what’s scary? In NYC they evaluate preschools based on “exmissions” to elite K-12 schools.</p>

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<p>The intentions of this thread are commendable. However, there is a very real risk that those who read it will arrive at the impression that it is the school attended, and not the student who attends it, that leads to matriculation at a prestigious college. These secondary schools matriculate a lot of graduates at selective colleges only because they get the best students. Those students, had they attended elsewhere, would have still gained admission to selective colleges. The credit goes to the students, not to the schools. An excellent student, if his or her goal is to go to HYPSM, might very well be better off at his or her public school IB program than at Andover.</p>

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<p>“An excellent student, if his or her goal is to go to HYPSM, might very well be better off at his or her public school IB program than at Andover”</p>

<p>Forgive my ignorance but what is a public school “IB” program? I have never heard of IB.
Thanks!</p>

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<p>Yea, but you get opened to so much more at boarding school. A lot of students are accepted based on potential and because the school feels they will take full advantage of the school. It’s very easy to slack off at public school and just start to hate school. So I would give the schools lots of credit when it comes to certain students though.</p>

<p>PAC- IB is The International Baccalaureate, pretty much an academic program, sort of like AP.</p>

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<p>IB refers to the International Baccalaureate program, which is a rigorous standardized college prep program that is recognized by universities around the world. Many public school districts in the US offer the IB curriculum and colleges hold it in high regard. </p>

<p>And mpicz, a “student who slacks off at public school and starts to hate school” is not bound to get into HYPSM anyway.</p>

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<p>Yea that’s what I’m saying. Boarding school can bring out a persons full potential…whcih would get them into HYPSM.</p>

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<p>mpicz, I am really intrigued by your concept. So you believe that boarding school can unleash the potential of an unmotivated but nevertheless talented youngster? I would have thought that anyone capable of the motivation required to get into HYPSM would demonstrate that motivation regardless of environment.</p>

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<p>Many parents believe the kind of environment a high quality private school (some of the best are boarding school) WILL motivate their children to tap their potential fuller because the academic programs are more flexible, the teachers are more experienced and care about their work, and the students around the kid in question are a more motivated and smart group. All these could stimulate and help the student to do a better job. Also, there is something else I am not sure abotu. Do people believe that the prestige a school has affects the college placement positively? pan1956, what do you think are the most valueable a good boarding school can do to your student?</p>

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<p>Along the lines of what mpicz said, it’s also very easy, especially for boys, to submerse their potential in public schools. It’s just easier that way. Often, asking a provocative (but honest) question is looked at as antagonistic. Teachers don’t like it and kids just think it’s weird. The gifted kids know this and the academic gain is often not worth the social sacrifice.</p>

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<p>Watertester, I will attempt to answer your question.
I believe that gaining admission to HYPSM (or Chicago or Amherst or Williams or Gtown or others) has gotten so intensely competitive and has become such an utterly irrational and random crapshoot, that any student who can succeed at such a process does not require a special environment to unleash his or her full potential. Many if not all of the youngsters who post on this website already have the maturity and the drive and the motivation and the internal impetus and momentum that are necessary but not sufficient conditions for success at the process. I do not believe that boarding school adds anything to their innate energy and direction. What boarding school does provide is a unique social and educational environment, one which may eventually make them “better educated” or more “well rounded.” But no one can convince me that Andover or any other school for that matter, can make a youngster worthy of gaining admission to HYPSM. In the final analysis, those youngsters who go to Andover and gain admission to HYPSM or others, already had it in them when they applied to Andover.</p>

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<p>It’s not an argument on if they already had it in them. Everyone that gets accepted to these Bs already had it in them. It’s an argument about bringing it out…these boarding school know some of the students they accept will be able to use the environment positively and strive to their full potential. What they have in them may come out in the local public school, or it may not. But almost all the kids who don’t fall into drug/alcohol etc…will reach their full potential at BS. That’s why they have such high matriculation stats. </p>

<p>No way is boarding school just that popular that all the top kids in the country just want to apply. The school makes them into that top student they very well might now have been without going their. A great percentage of kids could have got into HYPSM without going there, but a great percentage also could not have. I don’t see how you can argue against that. Like you said, with the crap shoot that it is, no way a handful of school just happen to have a majority of the amazing students.</p>

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<p>mpicz,
you say “everyone that gets accepted to these Bs already had it in them.” So I guess you agree that boarding schools select for motivated students who “have it in them” and who are therefore equipped to weather and succeed at the brutal process of applying to HYPSM. You confirm my point: they have the equipment before they arrive. It is not the school; it is the student.</p>