Does USC publish statistics for its SCA graduates - Is it worth the financial investment?

My friends’ son was accepted and will be attending Fall 2016 as well several of my kid’s classmates (Film Prod, Screen Wrtg, and another major at SCA I forgot what it’s called similar to media studies). My friends are about to pay more than $200K in tuition over the next four years for their son. I am curious if anyone here knows if there are any statistics available that answer the following questions:

  1. What percentage of the graduates in SCA are employed in the industry 1-5 years after graduation?
  2. What is the median earnings for for the above graduates?
  3. How many are working in the industry 5-10 years after graduation and what is their median earnings.

I heard that USC School of Cinematic Arts is ranked number one in the word, so I’m inclined to think that USC has conducted some research that would answer the above questions or at least address the opportunities that are available to the graduates. I tried to Google it, but i came up empty. Can someone here point me in the right direction? Thanks!!!

Not sure about all the statistics you are looking for - I don’t think those specifics can be found anywhere - but @madbean is the pro on SCA and USC in general around here and may be able to jump in on this…

I concur with the above comment. You may also want to review the info found via these two links:

http://cinema.usc.edu/inmotion/index.cfm

http://cinema.usc.edu/alumni/notable.cfm

Both should give you a good sense of what is at least possible with an SCA education…

@WWWard thank you! The InMotion publications look very interesting. Obviously, SCA is absolutely amazing. Since USC has close to 1000 enrolled students in SCA, I am hopeful that in the foreseeable future USC will conduct meaningful research and publish the results of “career success after graduation.” In the meantime, may the force be with all SCA students.

I would start with https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

This data is as close to accurate as you can reasonably get, since it’s the only study officially undertaken by the govt. While not specific to SCA, you can get an idea of how USC compares to competing schools in terms of average graduating salary, loan default rates, debt etc. Make sure to mentally adjust for cost of living e.g. Jobs in SF and NYC are naturally going to pay higher salaries than in LA.

You’re welcome. Indeed.

And from what I gather, there is a great deal of credibility involving what they all term as the “USC Mafia”. What started as the “Dirty Dozen” in the mid to late 1960s (including Lucas, Zemeckis and 10 other USC filmmakers), the USC Mafia now comprises 1000s of SCA alumni who together serve as the Hollywood version of the Trojan Family Network. In a business where who you know may be as important as what you know, being an SCA alum in itself can be a means to open doors within the entertainment industry. Clearly, there are no guarantees… but it does seem that being an alum from the first and best film school still has its advantages…

Thanks for the replies! I have heard of the USC Mafia, also called, the Trojan Mafia, and I know it is a real thing. It also makes an interesting title for a movie or a TV show, hint…hint… to you SCA students. That being said, I still have this question: Would a “Trojan Mafia” hiring manager pay a USC SCA grad $48,000 when he can hire a CSUN film school grad for $34,000? Of course, it is possible, but it is also very likely that the USC SCA grad will have take less money, maybe $40,000 which will make it very hard to pay off student loans and move out of the parents house…or take his girl to a nice dinner or a cruise. I guess what I’m trying to say is that ultimately, the availability of work and the compensation for such work is determined by the forces of the marketplace: supply and demand.

I think it would be great if USC could follow UC Berkeley and conduct “exit interviews” for their graduates like the ones you can find here: https://career.berkeley.edu/Survey/2015Majors

If you take a close look at HAAS, you can see that 356 students graduated from HAAS Business School in 2015 and that 54% of the graduates participated in the survey https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2015BusAd.pdf

In the publication you can see the percentage of employed, unemployed, in grad school, or “other” as well as average salary, sector, and the employers name. Berkeley does this survey for most majors in the university.

With the constant increase in cost of higher education, knowing what one could do with a degree in the major he/she selects and what he/she will get paid for it once entering the work force is an essential part of the overall “value proposition” and return on investment of both time and money. It would be nice if honorable establishments such as the University of Southern California will join Berkeley and publish such reports.

However, unless you (future students of all universities) ask for it, these reports won’t just magically appear out of thin air!

Good luck to you SCA students. I am looking forward to seeing your incredible work in the future!

I agree, it would be nice to see such statistics of after-grad employment and average starting salaries + average salaries 10 years out from graduation, and not just for SCA but broken out by each School/major.

However, for creative industries like film and television, the employment picture depends on much more (much more) than the school name on one’s degree. Not every grad (no matter what their college training) is prepared to live the life of a struggling artist, which means unpredictable work, months looking for the next project, working a paying job while finishing that next screenplay or working for peanuts on a fabulous indie film that will be the stepping stone to a real rung in the ladder.

At SCA, the dean told parents of incoming undergrads to expect kids who want to work in film production to take several years to become self-supporting, and to try to consider those years the equivalent of being in grad school, where parents expect not much if any money will be coming in, and they’re support may be very helpful so kid can have the time needed for networking and good luck and their own hard work and talent to let them break into this field. This, of course, would be true no matter what college the student studies filmmaking at, but the path may be easier when coming from USC. This is because entry jobs are rarely advertised. They often go to those with the right connections, and USC does offer an amazing array of opportunities for (go-getting, alert, on the hunt) SCA students to meet and impress those decision makers. All that said, the entry jobs pay very little, hiring rarely happens before the kid graduates (like accounting or computer jobs) and a USC SCA grad gets exactly the same small pay that a CSUN grad might get, or even the a kid who never goes to college at all and gets a jump start at age 18 gets–that is, if they can land that elusive first gig, and if they are so impressive that the supervisors want to hire them again and again on future projects.

Sorry that was so long, but as for your original concerns for your friends and their decision to pay over $200,000 for this fine (the finest!) film school education, in my opinion, it’s a good choice for families who can comfortably afford it. It’s a great choice for kids who get the big merit scholarships or wonderful grant aid (FA). But (IMO!) it would be hard to justify paying that amount of money IF IT IS NOT EASILY AVAILABLE to the family. Going deep into debt could very well, sadly and ironically, kill the new grad’s chances of making it after graduation, since he/she won’t be able to struggle with odd jobs for the first few years in order to get a foothold. Real life bills will often kill their dreams.

All of the above is my take on this question of “is it worth it” after watching 8 years of SCA students (my 2 were among them), and seeing where they landed and what they are doing now (my oldest graduated 4 years ago, my youngest last year). Mine have had startlingly great results in the work world, but their specialties are not film directing or cinematography and their entertainment fields are booming (thank the lord!!).

But to go back to your original concern/question, there is simply no way a parent can know if their fabulous kid is 1) gregarious enough, 2) original out-side-the-box enough, 3) lucky enough, 4) masochistic enough (!), 5) stubborn enough, 6) innovative enough, 7) in the right place at the right time enough to actually make a big career in film. And statistics from SCA about the outcomes of hundreds of kids we don’t know all that critical stuff about, would not tell a parent how their own kid will thrive. This career path is just too quirky and individual. I think affordability (some families do not have to struggle to pay tuition, while for others it would be impossible) and fit are the key components to the best decision. Some creative kids really need a hothouse (this is SCA!) in order to mature up and gain confidence, while others actually are the hardy sort who will bloom whereever they are planted–even in the crack of a sidewalk.

Sorry this was so long!! I’ll end with a positive note. :slight_smile: There are thousands and thousands and thousands of beautiful homes in Los Angeles, now most of them are priced over 1 million dollars. (!) And so many of them are owned by people who make their living in the entertainment business. What I mean is–there are tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of well-paid artists and executives in this town. The jobs are here and it’s a booming industry. So (what is it Clint Eastwood said to that punk)… do you feel lucky?

Hi! Our D was a SCA full-pay student. She graduated and is still living in LA and does some odd gigs, helping edit films and whatever else folks need. Fortunately, we were able to pay so she was able to graduate debt-free and are still paying, so she can make her way in the field.

Some of her friends are trying various different things in cinema, with varying degrees of success. One relative was also attending SCA with her and did 3 internships at 3 different major TV studios in one summer. She was offered a paid position at one or more of them after that summer, but declined and graduated from SCA in 3.5 years. She has been working on various projects since then, including on location out of the country. She loves it but finds it utterly consuming and exhausting. She is one of the few I know that is mostly supporting herself in her field after graduating from SCA in December 2011.

Our S graduated from USC engineering in 2010 and has been supporting himself very comfortably since he started his job in 6/2011, but many of his classmates had difficulty finding jobs (there weren’t that many firms hiring at a the time).

Cinema – even at USC is a challenging but exhilarating field. One of my relative’s best friends was working in LA as a set designer for years and finally gave it up and decided to teach elementary school instead. She found the stress of being on set regularly to be too exhausting and not conducive to her mental health.

I would agree with @MADBEAN, that it is VERY dangerous to go into debt if you plan to go into cinema or any creative field. There are a lot of unknowns and it is much easier to be just focused on trying to break into your field and make living expenses without also having to make HUGE loan payments as well.

Thank you @madbean and @HImom for your very helpful replies. I completely agree that if the parents can easily afford it, or the if the student gets significant FA or Merit scholarships, that it is an incredible opportunity to attend SCA. When I read my original post again, I realize that the questions I was raising were simply to answer the underlying issue of expectations: What should the student expect? What should the parents expect? And, what should we, the parents friends, expect? Especially, how can we, the parents friends, offer our “support” through the journey. Thanks again for all your input. I believe it has helped me set reasonable expectations for the next four years and the following 5 years.