Does your HS junior/senior have less “real life” experience due to Covid? How would you fix that?

My 11th grader definitely is lacking in phone etiquette skills. She sort of clams up and doesn’t know what to say.

So when she had to make a bunch of phone calls this summer looking for a hospital volunteer gig, she would first start out by typing out what she wanted to say, then practice saying it out loud, and THEN she’d actually make the phone call.

By comparison, as a kid, DH & I (Gen X’ers) basically were on the phone making phone calls to/from people ALL THE TIME. When we had to adult, we already knew what to do. But nowadays? Our household doesn’t have a landline/‘home phone.’ If we don’t recognize the # that’s calling, we just don’t answer it and if it’s important, the person will leave a message.

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I haven’t read through all the responses but in 11th grade, our D got a part time job. She became responsible for her own schedule and activities. We also had her make all her own life maintenance appointments. She also ran errands for us to the market, getting gas, etc… Every experience helps.

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The only experience my kids have had with public transportation has been when we are on vacation.

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Kids are WAY more resilient then we give them credit for.

I work with high schoolers every day and have heard many different stories about what they did during Covid. Educationally, students suffered across the board, especially for 20-21 academic year, but they did have plenty of real life experiences. In fact, I’d say that their experiences would have been considered mostly normal in the days before computers and smart phones.

Yes, many missed out on “normal” social activities. But actually, many formed new friends with students they wouldn’t have hung out with at school. In our area, during the worst of lockdowns, kids met outside. They hung out at the end of the street or met other kids in the woods for hikes. Or, if they weren’t meeting outside, they started zoom chat groups and similar. Many kids I’ve worked with since 2020 have told me about new friends they made during Covid.

On the downside, yes, there were other kids who isolated themselves on purpose, or whose parents were very strict about any kind of social interaction, maybe due to a compromised family member. Those kids seem to have fared worse. But I do know a couple of kids who loved zoom school. They are both kids with a lot of social anxiety, so for them it was a relief not to be at school. Unlike the many kids whose grades took a big hit, these two students had excellent results.

I think the biggest positive effect I’ve seen on students is that most of them took up something new. They learned to cook, bake, sew, learn a language, take up kayaking, teach themselves how to ride a ripstick, a bike, and a unicycle, start reading books again, redecorate their rooms, finally make photo albums, and many other great things. A lot of kids have told me how much they enjoyed spending so much family time together. I’d say that doing a number of these things helped a lot of kids learn some adult skills.

As far as getting themselves to and from places, when my kids were 15 I let them both take the train down to the city by themselves or with friends. I knew who they were meeting and where, they had to check in with me, etc… I told them what to do and they did it.

My youngest had no sleep away camp experience. (Most kids in the country don’t.) When he had just turned 18, I let him drive himself to a college three hours away to do an overnight visit. I wasn’t worried about it. And for reference, this was three years ago, not in the prehistoric 00’s😆

There’s no preparation needed for a first flight. My daughter flew across the country when she was 15. We just did whatever the airline mandated. It was fine. They don’t need preparation to get on a train by themselves for the first time. I’m not clear why doing that with a current 15 or 16 year old is more problematic than before the pandemic.

It’s a case of being comfortable with your child’s maturity. You know your kid best and if you aren’t confident they can handle traveling on their own, don’t let them do it. But if they are bugging you to let them go, have an honest conversation and determine if they are mature enough. Don’t project your fears on to them.

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Yes, definitely. I sent my D22 to a weeklong writing camp on a college campus and it was super helpful for her when it was time to choose a college. Send your kids together or with a friend if you think they’ll be too nervous to go on their own. Make it a camp on a college campus, though. Other camps won’t help as much.

Another thing that has helped my kids so much is having a job working retail. Interacting with the public finally taught my kids phone skills and the polite script we almost all use (please, thank you, you’re welcome, excuse me) — not that I hadn’t tried to drill that into them for years, but my oldest really started noticing when the customers at Starbucks were rude and didn’t say thanks and were just terrible in general.

If you can’t swing an overnight camp (they will start filling up in Jan btw) look for day camp opportunities. There was a free one at one of our local colleges that I sent D22 too when she was in middle school. That helped too but not as much as the week long camp the summer before senior year.

Has your S23 applied to colleges? Planning to go next year? Have him do whatever orientation program his college offers. Some colleges will have one in June before school starts in August.

If he’s taking a gap year he might be able to go to a summer camp with his brother.

If camp won’t work out try going to events at the colleges he has applied to. Go to a football or basketball camp to familiarize him with the campuses. Go to all the admitted student days.

If you live in an area where public transport is important (not must of the country) or if he will need to take a plane (not mist college students) then practice that with him too.

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When we started traveling by plane again after/during the pandemic, I put my D22 “in charge” of us. She booked the Uber, decided how far in advance to leave for the airport, navigated us through security and to find the gate. She liked it because she was in charge, but with an added security blanket. Helped a lot before her first solo flight.

We also live in a suburb of SF, so she and her friends started taking the ferry to the city around 15. Once they could drive and live music resumed, they went to many concerts all over the place.

One thing I wish I’d spent more time on is interacting with doctors and dentists. Once she turned 18 they basically refused to talk to me. So she had a rude awakening on that front. A medical issue in her first week of college quickly ripped off the bandaid and taught her a lot but it was very stressful for all of us.

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I thought about this some more and here’s what I wished we had talked about with regards to doctors and dentists

  1. Judgment. How to know when to see the doctor, how to evaluate when you feel worse or better, if medicine is working, etc. This is something that comes with life experience but even introducing the idea that she can evaluate how she’s feeling and make a call to get help would have been useful

  2. Questioning authority. Doctors can be very rushed and it’s been my experience that they can jump to conclusions based on a lot of factors, especially in an urgent care or ER environment. My daughter is very accepting of authority and wasn’t comfortable pushing back or asking questions when a doctor recommended a treatment that didn’t make sense. Also, comes with practice, but an overall conversation about how to speak up, not let the doctor rush away if you need to ask questions, and how to say something is not working, are good things to talk about. Ideally, you can role model this at an appointment they have and then discuss what happened on the way home.

  3. Insurance. Good grief, insurance can be tricky. We have great insurance but the tactical details of having the card, filling out forms, where the ID numbers are, etc.

  4. Making and canceling appointments. This has more to do with the phone skills others have mentioned but it’s a real thing for kids who feel far more comfortable typing than talking

Hope this helps!

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Once they turned 18 they went to appointments alone (during Covid I may or may not have told a 17 year old to tell them mom was in the parking lot…). Our 19 year old withdrew from college a year ago for mental health issues, he did struggle with issues with medications not being prescribed, had to go back and forth with the pharmacy and unavailable nurse practitioner, he kept asking me to help (obviously I offered suggestions). I did send an email and cc’d my son about getting legal counsel and duty of care when he was out of a medication for several weeks with no response. Fortunately his therapist will talk to us (the psychiatric NP is through insurance and we only use them for prescriptions, the waiting list for those not coming from inpatient is huge so counseling is out of network). His twin is very good finding medical professionals and making appointments when needed.

The doctor stuff made me chuckle, because I taught mine how to medicate (within reason) in middle school. How to read labels and see which drugs worked for what symptoms and how not to take two meds at once that had targeted the same symptoms - other than Advil/Tylenol. Why? Because my H is horrible with such things, and I worried if I died he’d do something really wrong.

We also didn’t have much money and not great insurance. Going to a doctor was a big deal. So it’s a running joke that if someone doesn’t feel well, I’ll ask them a million times how they feel on a scale of 1-10, followed by a billion other questions trying to figure out when it’s a doctor worthy visit. And by the time we did go, I’d slowly list out their symptoms by day, the meds taken each day, and how they reacted. If for some rare reason I couldn’t go, I’d give H a written list summary to hand to the doctor. And definitely never go to an ER unless you think you’re dying or have a bone sticking out of your skin after hours.

But really, while I tried to teach mine a lot of stuff, remember that you can’t teach everything. Hopefully, you have taught them that they are smart and resourceful and can figure it out. Mistakes will be made, but that’s part of learning.

Edit also remember CC Kids can be a bit different than the norm. I know plenty of adults who have never been on a plane or more than 4 driving hours from home, let alone let their kids do it alone.

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In thinking about this more, I’m wondering what experiences you think your kids missed during covid that would have made them more prepared for college. Did they not take trips or travel into a city where they would have learned how to go to a college visit alone? Did they not do sports or club activities that would have prepared them for college?

It just seems like my kids, who went to school before covid, had the same issues heading to college and they’d always gone to summer camps, traveled by air on their own, had to figure stuff out at hs. They still struggled when it came time for college.

It was fine. If they needed something they called me and we walked through it or they just did it themselves. I did take my 16 year old on college recruiting visits not because she couldn’t have flown and arranged transportation to the college on her own but because she wanted my opinion of the school and program too. Many kids travel to recruiting trips on their own. Sometimes she went off with teammates and I stayed in a hotel, other times I took the tour with her. I know my niece went to accepted students day on her own, but her parents had already seen the school.

I don’t think it is unusual for parents to help move kids in to the school, set up banking, look at freshman schedules, but then for trips after that for the students to go back to school on their own, pick out classes, buy books, etc. I don’t see that being different since covid.

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I was going to make a similar comment. S21 was a user of NYC public transportation during summer programs but otherwise had never traveled on his own or handled medical issues on his own. Now he travels on two planes to school, manages all of the arrangements and gets himself to and from doctors appts with my involvement only when he cant get an appointment (and he has multiple medical issues). S24 will have similar experices and I dont think that I as a kid was any different. Suburban kids are suburban kids, the pandemic didnt really change that.

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There are two big categories of experiences I feel like my kids are missing out on that I had significant experience with when I went to college. I wouldn’t blame it totally on Covid because, as I said, we are more introverted/home-bodies than average. But because there were fewer opportunities due to Covid, and because we had to be more cautious than average due to Covid, my kids haven’t had these experiences, and I’m not sure they will if I don’t make a point to make them happen.

Type 1: Traveling to unfamiliar places. Over the past 2.5 years we haven’t gone anywhere, even to any of the local cities around us, or to non-city places around us either. I think this will be fairly easy to rectify if we are intentional, and I plan to use some of the suggestions like having the kids plan the excursions and lead the way.

Type 2: Doing things on their own, from little things like going out to dinner with friends without a parent to big things like overnight camps or trips with a school/club group. Our exact family/school situation makes these more rare anyway, but they’ve been not just scarce but nonexistent the past few years. I’m going to have to put more thought and effort into finding these opportunities.

The other tips (making phone calls, interacting with doctors, etc) aren’t things I had thought about but are great.

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We have traveled a bit so all my kids feel comfortable being in unfamiliar places. They all got to practices and ECs with minimal reminders from me. The older 2 had jobs which helped a ton. I always made sure to force them to order their own food at restaurants and to talk to their healthcare providers.

Now my oldest lives 3 hours away. We’ve had a few bumps along the way like a medical bill going to collections because he assumed we had taken care of it (forgetting he is an adult and we don’t get his medical bills sent to our address). I’ve had to talk him through who to call for a few things but I don’t make calls for him.

I had to laugh a little bit this week. My hs senior needed a book from the library and had no clue how to check one out on his own. In his defense, his own card as expired. But even with using my card I had to talk him through how to get a book by himself. This is a kid who could get himself around a new city by himself. But a public library does him in. :slight_smile:

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For your kid with social anxiety I absolutely recommend setting up opportunities for him to be away from home without parents by himself or with his brother or a friend.

Both my kids have anxiety. My oldest has GAD and social anxiety. This kind of scaffolding is crucial IMO for kids with anxiety. I would get on it right away. Plan some weekends where he and his brother or friend go do something w/o you. Don’t wait until summer. And if the college he ends up attending offers a pre-orientation option definitely sign him up.

As for less “real life” due to COVID, sure, definitely, but it was more things like the summer camp D22 was going to go to in 2020 got pushed back to 2021 and then they all had single rooms instead of sharing and had to wear masks, etc. Also Driver’s Ed got messed up so she started driving a year or two later than she would have which has made me really nervous about her driving to and from college this year.

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Oh, one more thing you could look at is SPLASH programs. About LU Programs :: Current Programs

That’s a program across the country where one weekend in fall and/orspring college students teach high school students fun classes on their college campus.

The Learningu.org website seems to be having problems, but there are a lot of schools in MA that offer it. You can check out their Facebook or Instagram pages. Could be a great way for him to stick a toe in the water of college.

Boston College Splash for last March: Redirecting...
Harvard Splash for last March: Harvard Undergraduate Studies in Education
MIT Splash is next weekend Nov 19-20: MIT ESP - Splash!
Clark’s SPLASH is tomorrow!!: Clark University Educational Studies Program

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Oohh, I’ll check these out!

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MIT’s splash is this coming weekend.

I am not bashing young people. I have many who work for me (and my own adult children) and they have incredible skills in many areas.

But eliciting information when it does not involve typing on a phone is not their strength (yes, I am maligning their skill in one particular area).

Airline imposes an extra fee for whatever reason. Employee complains. I ask "Did you call customer service to get them to reverse the fee? ". Employee seems shocked that this is “a thing”- and then makes the call, and of course, the fee is dropped. Employee gets a bill for a medical service which should be covered. I ask “did you call our benefits team to ask them to research the charge for you?” The answer is “no, I looked on the dashboard but couldn’t find that in the FAQ’s”. I explain that we have real live human beings- better than a dashboard- who know medical coding better than anyone on the planet- and you can just call them!!! And they will handle it! And then they do!

I see this with friend’s kids at college. Someone gets a $50 fee on their bill for a lost key. Kid insists they never lost their key. Parent asks “Did you call housing and tell them to reverse the charge?” Answer of course is some variation on “I looked on the dashboard and it wasn’t there”.

I think we all grew up in a time where we weren’t so affluent, where extra charges and fees were really rare and to be avoided at all costs. And this younger generation often sees this as “the cost of doing business”. Data overage- oh well, you pay more. Doordash sticks you with a double charge for delivery-- what are you going to do, complain?

I think starting in HS kids can take charge of the family customer service operation. Learn how to knock down the price of your cable, phone, data. Plow through a bill from the doctors office and learn which items can be negotiated (lab fees- usually not. professional services-- often yes). Bank statements- how to read them. An estimate for fixing the muffler- what all the little charges at the end mean (and yes, $5 here and $12 there and before you know it, you’ve spent an extra 50 bucks).

I think the travel piece works out-- at some point, kids learn how to take a bus, how to switch planes. But learning how to pick up the phone and dial an 800 number and actually getting useful information AND not ending up paying more than you should- that’s a skill that many kids show up in college without.

I’ve got friends who got letters a week before commencement telling them there was a hold on their kid’s diploma. All for stupid reasons- overdue library book, lost key, broken window in the dorm room (which was not broken! It was the room next door!) and the kids had apparently been getting notices for months (and years in one instance). JUST PICK UP THE PHONE or wander into the library and clear up the mess!!!

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I dunno. Calling and getting stuff fixed to their liking is my older S’ superpower. I remember when my car engine’s died on the way to the beach miles from anywhere. I was on the phone calling everyone. I got AAA to come and take us the 100 miles to the beach (though it took forever), but getting the Beach’s dealer to do anything was a PITA. The engine - still under warranty - died the day it went on recall. They weren’t going to give us a loaner or provide a rental. Our local dealer said they should, so S called them back and told them what they were going to do, and when they balked, he pressed and they complied. He was 18. He’s always getting charged reversed, or if something isn’t as it should be, getting his $$$ back or gets it resolved.

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DD’17 got some crash courses in airline customer service the last couple years when she was flying to visit a long distance boyfriend. Lots of cancellations and delays causing her to call in for options. She persisted when I would have given up. Even shed a few tears which caused the agent to “look again” and find a flight lol.

Her younger sister is still a work in progress. Once we were on vacation and found out DD’19’s electricity had accidentally been cancelled by another apartment resident. I made her dial and then she froze…so sister covered for her. But the second time it got cancelled she did manage to do the talking herself.

Some of that is difference in personalities- one is a classic mature oldest child and the other is for sure a youngest that never had to be quite as independent.