<p>i am interested in I-banking. where should i go?</p>
<p>Duke and Dartmouth will provide an easier path, school-work wise, although U of C's econ dept. is the best out of those three. just pick which school you like better.</p>
<p>You also have a better chance of landing in NYC by going to Duke/Dartmouth. If you want to stay in Chicago, go to U of C.</p>
<p>Agreed. UC pretty much has the in at everywhere in Chicago, but Duke/ Dartmouth have the advantage on Wall Street. Dartmouth does the best in terms of the actual number of banks recruiting on campus.</p>
<p>While it is true that Chicago places more finance / consulting types into Chicago, and while Dartmouth and Duke have a more NYC pull, I would not choose on this criterion alone, or on a desire to go into an IB division. Frequently, students find themselves hunting for ANY finance position with a strong firm, and then have to choose amongst several alternatives based on their personal interests, hours, compensation and so forth. In terms of the likelihood of gaining a post-BA job in sales and trading, fixed income, research, or one of the many other finance sub-sectors, it is pretty much a wash across the three schools. </p>
<p>Really, you should look into where you think you will most likely succeed as a well rounded student. With this in mind, if I was looking at college primarily as a ticket to a high paying job and an MBA program 2-5 years after graduation, I would choose Duke or Dartmouth, but not Chicago. I am not saying that Chicago is a bad pre-MBA choice, but you clearly have to purchase into the intellectual culture during your time there if you do not want to be miserable.</p>
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I am not saying that Chicago is a bad pre-MBA choice, but you clearly have to purchase into the intellectual culture during your time there if you do not want to be miserable.
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<p>Agreed. Chicago might bring you to the same level in the long run, but it's going to be a long, long run unless you dig schoolwork as much as derivatives trading (or whatever).</p>
<p>I have no idea where CNI or slipper is getting his/her information. I don't think there is a meaningful difference among those schools, per se, in the opportunities available to their similarly situated students.</p>
<p>There is a big difference. Dartmouth as 5/7 elite banks recruiting on campus vs. 4 for Duke and 3 for Chicago (vault*.com). Dartmouth also has special "during the year" internships that are a big advantage in terms of getting into top firms.</p>
<p>slipper, could you maybe post those articles? I don't have a membership to vault, and i doubt a lot of people do</p>
<p>The user generated content on Vault is not meaningful. Even the Vault proprietary research often needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. There is not major investment bank that recruits at Dartmouth, but not at Duke or Chicago.</p>
<p>How many recruit at cornell?</p>
<p>There are basically two tiers of recruiting for elite banks and consulting firms:</p>
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<li><p>HYPSM, Wharton, and Cal Tech if a student is aggressive. </p></li>
<li><p>Chicago, Columbia, Northwestern, Berkeley, Cornell, Brown, Penn, Duke, Dartmouth, Rice, Amherst, Wellesley, Swarthmore, Williams, and JHU if a student is aggressive. The undergraduate business oriented divisions of Michigan, Georgetown, Carnegie Mellon and Virginia would also be in here, but moreso for the dry accounting and control type positions (which out of college pay the same and have comparable responsibilities). </p></li>
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<p>After this there is a huge drop off in terms of on campus recruiting presence, yet you do see some people from places like Emory, UCLA or NYU sneak in on account of having been a high GPA business major or having strung together a handful of influential internships.</p>
<p>if you're deciding on a school based on the fact that you want to be in the best position for investment banking then you're probably not a good "fit" for Chicago. Duke and Dartmouth have better recruiting anyway.</p>
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<p>Not according to uchicagoalum, who seems to be in that field. Are you sure about what you just wrote? What's your background?</p>
<p>This seems to be like an endless debate..esp after someone who seems knowledgeable gives his/her view and then a person like you just pops up and says otherwise. ;)</p>
<p>Dartmouth has incredible recruiting for its size, probably right behind HYPW in the ivy league. Duke does really well too, especially at MS.</p>
<p>This stuff isn't a secret, do some research. It's a well known fact that Chicago does not do that well at all for NYC BB's; most end up in Chicago. </p>
<p>Ibankingoasis.com is an excellent resource for this kind of stuff and the people that post there actual work on wall street, so take their word for it.</p>
<p>heres one thread about Uchicago Econ</a> at the University of Chicago?? | WallStreetOasis.com</p>
<p>use the search engine, there is plenty of stuff there.</p>
<p>There seems to be a lot of misinformation here....
I cannot speak about Duke or Darth, since I am not a student there...but at U of C, it certainly isn't the case that kids end up only in Chicago.</p>
<p>All the major banks recruit (Goldman, MS, JP, ML, Lehman, CSFB, UBS, Lazard, BoA, Citi...) and all of them recruit for both Chicago and NYC. JPMorgan tends to recruit heavier at U of C than anywhere else (cept maybe Harvard), and most people end up in NYC or give an office preference. I have numerous friends who landed internships (in this tough year) at many of the above banks, and many of them in NYC. Also, when there are recruiting events on campus, it's mostly U of C alumni that come back, and many of them are in the NYC office of their firm.</p>
<p>But, to the poster, it probably won't make that much of a difference of where you go to school, its more on you. Your school can only get you an interview....and then your experiences and how you can present yourself matters. I would recommend you check out all 3 campuses before deciding on something as trivial as recruiting, unless you are torn between the 3 and this is the final criteria...</p>
<p>stoneimmaculate,</p>
<p>The link you provided seems to prove nothing though. It seems to be not all that different from the business threads here.</p>
<p>A tally of total number of grads from different schools in any particular office doesn't necessarily give the full picture. Maybe Duke/Dartmouth have more in NYC because more of their grads apply for those positions in NYC?</p>
<p>What we need is to get first-hand info from the recruiters/managers: when they look at resume from UChicago and from Duke, do they have a preference of one school name over another?? Or compare campus recruiting schedule and find if different firms consistently hold more events in one school more than another. I already did a bit of the latter and so far I haven't found any noticeable difference among UChicago/Dartmouth/Duke.</p>
<p>I think I posted on this thread already, but I think it merits posting again.</p>
<p>When I read a post that says "I want to be an i-banker. Which one of these great schools will be best for me?" a little part of me dies (not the fun part). Though I'm sure the question is honest and well-intended, it seems to be quite misguided as to what the undergraduate experience-- and in particular, what the Chicago experience-- is like.</p>
<p>If I read, "I want to have long debates about politics, meet awesome people, read a few batty philosophers, be challenged in my classes, go to Bar Night at Alpha Delt, and maybe go into investment banking after graduation," I would have much more sympathy towards the poster.</p>
<p>Simply choosing a school and spending four years of your life working towards a goal that you don't even know you will reach (or, using what is at best fuzzy, anecdotal evidence to demonstrate that Y school is better than X school for Z job) is a surefire way to make you miserable. The reason that the poster in the other forum was unhappy, I gather, was that he chose us based on our hazy reputation in one particular field without thinking about his other options, his ideas of what college life should be like, or where he would find himself happiest. </p>
<p>Sam Lee: if you were a recruiter (or an employer), would you see a difference between a Duke, Chicago, Dartmouth, Columbia, Northwestern grad simply from the name of the school? I wouldn't. I would probably search for more telling aspects on the resume and in recommendation letters and in interviews to help give me a sense of each applicant.</p>
<p>I think there is also a selection bias by field. Dartmouth may have a lot of people in say straight M&A for its size, but far less compared to Chicago doing derivatives or pure industry research (Chicago has far more math and physics majors). I just really cannot see a tangible difference between the schools though for finance at large. </p>
<p>The Chicago over NYC element is true, and I know for some students this is make or break. I could see turning down a school if I knew I wanted to be in a given field, and did not want to locked into a city for 6-7 years between school and a 2-3 year stint out the door.</p>
<p>unalove,</p>
<p>I wouldn't see a difference either. But that's not what some of the people here claimed and that's why I questioned what their basis was, if there's any.</p>