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<p>Princeton is an Ivy, the other's aren't (I think) </p>

<p>for objective differences I guess you have to talk to students of each.</p>

<p>I've been reading up some more, and I've found dream programmes at U Penn (ivy?)and Berkeley(not ivy right?). Stanford would be good too, but for sociolinguistics I think the programme at U Penn would be best. Plus William Labov is like a hero in sociolinguistics :P</p>

<p>Oxford/Cambridge is excellent too.</p>

<p>Gosh, so much to learn in the world <em>sigh</em></p>

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<p>I dont understand what LAC are. In USnews Rankings they make a difference between LAC and University.</p>

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<p>@trinya....I am looking for Linguistics programs at Oxbridge.....of the two, I think I would prefer Cambridge though. I won't get my hopes up...I know they are very selective and the interviews sound intimidating. :/</p>

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<p>Liberal Arts Colleges are mostly undergraduate colleges, some of them are (or almost) just as good as Ivies: Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams. All of them are very selective. Swarthmore is also very challenging. There are only 8 Ivies. LAC are not good for Fwoukje (they do not have graduate programs)</p>

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<p>So are Amherst/swartmore and williams are just as good as Ivies?
And if I get admitted, is it then easy to go to a graduate study?
And what means the word "arts" in LAC?</p>

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<p>You know, you could find a lot of this out from reading the college webpages...</p>

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<p>There are only 8 Ivy League universities. they are all in the Northeast of the United States. Although they are all good, there are many other universities that are as good. The Ivy League is simply a sports conference. In the case of the Ivy League, all 8 members of the conference happen to be excellent universities, but it means very little otherwise. Schools like Stanford, MIT, Johns Hopkins, Berkeley, etc... are not part of the Ivy League conference, but they are just as good, in some cases even better, than the Ivy League.</p>

<p>LACs (Liberal Arts Colleges) are focused mainnly on educating undergraduate students. There are almost no, if any, graduate students and the faculty is generally not that heavy into research. So most of the resources availlable to the university are directed to the undergraduate students. Do not let the title "Liberal Arts College" fool you. Those schools can be excellent in Engineering and the Sciences. Form example, Harvey Mudd is as good as MIT, Stanford, CalTech and Berkeley at teaching underdergraduate engineering and sciences. Others, like Claremont McKenna, Pomona and Swarthmore are excellent in Economics and the Social Sciences. Wesleyans has one of the better film schools. LACs are very diversified and very diverse. LACs are also typically quite small (2,500 or fewer students. Some of the main examples of LACs are:</p>

<p>Amherst College
Bates College
Bowdoin College
Carleton College
Claremont McKenna College
Colby College
Davidson College
Grinnell College
Harvey Mudd College
Haverford College
Macalester College
Middlebury College
Oberlin College
Pomona College
Reed College
Swarthmore College
Wesleyan University
Williams College</p>

<p>Princeton is a research university. It has PhD students and its faculty is heavily involved in research. So many of Princeton's resources are allocated to its graduate students. Furthermore, Princeton is significantly larger than most LACs. It has roughly 4,000 undergraduate students.</p>

<p>Some of the more well known research universities are:</p>

<p>Brown University
California Institute of Technology
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
New York University
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Tufts University
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Los Angeles
University of Chicago
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Texas-Austin
University of Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Vanderbilt University
Washington University-St Louis
Yale University</p>

<p>Still, research universities like Rice, Brown, Dartmouth and Princeton are more similar to LACs in that they are more geared toward undergraduate students than schools like Harvard, Chicago, Berkeley etc...</p>

<p>Overall, they both provide great opportunities, it is simply a question of preference.</p>

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<p>just to add to that: the "arts" doesn't mean "fine arts" necessarily, It is more arts as in the opposite of science, you can get a BA, Bachelor of Arts there, mostly in humanities, social, letters subjects. I am not sure whether they offer science programmes.</p>

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<p>So I assume that if I graduate from LAC, and then want to go for example graduate study at princeton, i will not be disavantaged for emample with someone who has done undergraduate at princeton, because he had done more research than me.</p>

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<p>Not at all. In fact, LACs have, in relative terms, more success placing their students into PhD programs than research universities. Many universities actually like to admit students from other schools into their graduate programs because they want new blood. The exception to this are the professional schools (Law and Business). So if you intended to study Mathematics or Physics all the way to a PhD, you may be better off going to another undergraduate program and then, apply to Princeton for your PhD. Just make sure you go to a good school and you will be in good shape.</p>

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<p>The 7 original liberal arts (Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, and Astronomy) date from the Middle Ages and have, over time, evolved into "a canonical way of depicting the realms of higher learning" which today almost universally includes the study of pure science:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cosmopolis.com/villa/liberal-arts.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cosmopolis.com/villa/liberal-arts.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I want to study business or law, so it's better to not apply at a LAC, because it will lower my graduate admission chances</p>

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<p>Actually, LACs are great for students who wish to apply to Law scholls or MBA programs. Like I said above, in terms of quality, reputation or opportunities, LACs are as good as Research universities.</p>

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<p>It's better to invest your time in trying out for "reach" excellent LAC's than for "unattainable" Ivies, that don't always have the extra's to offer to compensate the difficulty of getting in for certain cases. (not saying that is your case, but it can be)</p>

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<p>I wonder if there are any dutch people left...
Or am I the only person here who is dutch here</p>

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<p>I am dutch/american but i live in holland. </p>

<p>Volgens mij ben jij de enige andere Nederlander in deze hele site.... behalve mij dan.</p>

<p>Just in case you don't speak dutch i'm just stating that i think you are the only other dutch person on this whole site... which of course is understandable.
Do you live in holland or are you just dutch ?</p>

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<p>Hooi! Ik ben er ook nog :)</p>

<p>I am actually Kurdish/Turkish, though.</p>

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<p>oh leuk. Dat zijn er 3.</p>

<p>In welke jaar zit jij ? Of ben je al met je studie ?</p>

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<p>Ik ben canadese maar ik woon in het nederland.</p>

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<p>Ik zit nu in de vijfde van het vwo.</p>