EA Mit Chances?

<p>Sagar: I haven't participated in Siemens, but I've assisted several friends who have. One of my friends has worked on artificial intelligence and <em>has</em> gotten very good results. Granted, I live in a fairly affluent area and he can afford that kind of electronic equipment.</p>

<p>I don't know what that says about the level of projects being entered, but if you plan on doing AI, know that there's at least one person out there who is doing it with an incredible budget.</p>

<p>I would suggest going to the Siemens website and reading the entries by their previous winners, if they're available. They'll give you an idea into what it takes to get ahead.</p>

<p>To: Sagar
as far as AI projects go...i did one for science fairs a couple years ago about AI and image enhancement, it was pretty original research in the field of computer vision. But the truth of the matter is i would not turn that one into siemens bc the application of my research really wasn't there. I mean the project was pretty cool in the field of AI, but remember that siemens is an all encompassing competition, so the application really has to be there. However, for intel science fairs, given that everything is essentially divided, your project(assuming it is original) would probably do quite well. Tell me some things about your project Sagar, I may not be the <em>master</em> on AI, but I have written some pretty neat algorithms on image recognition, and subsequent enhancement.</p>

<p>It isn't really a specific algorithm or something. It is a simulation of bots that live in a virtual environment. They can see, hear, move, speak, fire a laser weapon(computations for hands gets out of hand), etc. I have a prediction recurrent neural network that generates a tree of actions, and a situation analysis network(uses a genetic algorithm) to evaluate the different nodes. Bots have memory(can see past events), learn to predict the consequences of their actions.</p>

<p>One of the major goals of the project is to see the formation of weights in the prediction neural network(suggesting a more precise architecture to retry the experiment with). Also, we watch reruns of the bots lives(at points during which we predict interesting things will happen, such as the first encounter between isolated species), observing any signs of intelligence(working on the definition of that now). Finally, I devoted a lot of the paper(read 3-4 pages) too doing runtime analysis, and displaying the various obstacles the connectionist view holds. </p>

<p>A major issue is the combinatorial explosion of the action tree. So we implemented a sorting algorithm at each stage.</p>

<p>The thing I am most happy about is the very thorough runtime analysis.</p>

<p>I want to send you my paper(a PDF of it), but I'm not sure what the scientific rules are(aren't you not suppose to share until published?). Can anyone help me with this?</p>

<p>The project doesn't discover a new breast cancer protein(1st place team was from my school, drooling over plaque and cheque display in reception lobby as I write this), but I think it does propose and advance some fundamental ideas for the field. </p>

<p>How hard is it to get to semi-finalist for team? </p>

<p>Oh, there is a big emphasis on how human intelligence(the ultimate goal) is too complex for a simple hand crafted algorithm, and that the algorithm(very complex most likely) will be evolved. I also emphasized how now is the time to propose and test ideas, preparing for the major advancements in processing power to help carry out those experiments.</p>

<p>One of the biggest problems is that I am dealing with 5-6-dimensional optimization, with an unknown funcition(well I know for 3-4, which I worked out), but time is one of them, so you never know if you ran the program another day, it might have produced something.</p>

<p>I think AI(read aiming for general intelligence, not a specific vision algorithm) is a very trick field, but the benefits are enormous.</p>

<p>On that note, I have done a pretty cool project where one could simply point at the computer monitor, and the mouse would move to where the finger pointed(used a webcam).</p>

<p>Thanks for all the replies everybody, and sorry for derailing this thread. :)</p>

<p>BUMP... anybody? </p>

<p>It really sucks how I have a freeloader as a partner. I don't think he is applying to any big schools though, and it was either enter with a freeloader or don't enter at all.</p>

<p>errr....i probably wouldn't have entered then... Teamwork is a major part of this competition. Sure you can have good ideas etc., but I think with team projects it's equally important that each member contribute. I think you realize that one of the forms is for a team form, and I think if you were to fill that out honestly, Siemens Foundation will not be pleased...</p>

<p>So if you plan on "bending" the truth for a competition like this, I frown on you...in addition I noticed this: "I don't think he is applying to any big schools though"...? what's that got to do with your research or the siemens competition(the awards?)?</p>

<p>In short Sagar, unless you can show me exactly how your team member contributed and helped, I suggest you not enter...</p>

<p>Sorry for the negativity, but I feel pretty strongly about this sort of stuff.</p>

<p>Well, I just found out today that he has written 4 pages of the paper. Anyway, he is really smart, and it is not my responsibility to fill out that mentor form, it is my mentors. We've been working for about 3 weeks together. </p>

<p>I'm not bending the truth. I'm being objective. It is my mentors decision on what to write, and I'm not going to "not enter" after a year's worth of work. </p>

<p>There is no form for me to fill out about teamwork.</p>

<p>Anyways, I have pretty much finished the paper, and although perhaps my partner hasn't worked as much, that is because he didn't join on till much later, and it isn't his fault. </p>

<p>He helped by reading the 15 pages that I wrote, editing some, doing research for a couple nights and pulling together a list of papers which we should cite for prior work, put it in MLA format(I didn't have any of this stuff at all). He is also really good with databases, and will be indisposable for later extensions to the projects.</p>

<p>I guess I shouldn't call him a freeloader, but that was the expression I got since he is really laid back, and doesn't communicate too often with me.</p>

<p>Sorry for the agressive reaction, but I guess at this point, it doesn't really matter how much either of us have worked on us. I've sweated and bled over this project for months, and its too late to change train tracks at this point.</p>

<p>Well, paper is just about finished, and we've got a bunch of profs reviewing it monday. Thanks for the help everyone :)</p>

<p>3 weeks on the project together sounds a bit suspect, especially since you claim to have worked on it for a year. </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>