<p>It's not clear if this </p>
<p>The</a> Daily Pennsylvanian </p>
<p>explains the difference between Penn and the other Ivy League colleges with ED this year.</p>
<p>Interesting</p>
<p>I agree that that might be what caused the dip. Penn is notorious for having the biggest joke of an admissions process. They are finally getting what they deserve. They are losing many of their top ~non Wharton~ candidates, because they know that it is important to have a mother with loose purse strings than hard-earned credentials. In the past 4 years at my high school, the more qualified candidates don't get in, but the legacy and/or wealthy parent with connections will.</p>
<p>wow, gen-Y, you speak so omnisciently. I'm sure Penn is the only school in the nation that considers legacies. (btw, I was not one of those "connected" acceptees)</p>
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<p>And maybe many people are going to try the same trick as you next year, based on this year's unexpected decrease... leading to the reverse?</p>
<p>Penn is a school that makes clear the big legacy in advantage comes only ED. You get an extra push, they get higher yield.</p>
<p>I think Penn's legacy admissions is a product of the environment in which legacy students are raised (fair or not) as well as the desire to build a real sense of community and loyalty to the school among students and alumni. Every school does this, and it really is not such a bad thing for the school as a whole even if some applicants feel slighted.</p>
<p>OK, why do I get the feeling that they forgot about CORNELL in their article... Cocky Princetonians...</p>
<p>"Penn is notorious for having the biggest joke of an admissions process. They are finally getting what they deserve. They are losing many of their top ~non Wharton~ candidates, because they know that it is important to have a mother with loose purse strings than hard-earned credentials. In the past 4 years at my high school, the more qualified candidates don't get in, but the legacy AND wealthy parent with connections will."</p>
<p>I couldn't have said it better myself and my H and I are both alumni...the only correction in your analysis is that they don't even care about legacy kids UNLESS they have the wealthy parent with connections....We didn't even pursue Penn with our D......In addition, admissions has made it very clear that they wanted to reduce admittants from the NY/NJ area....It's possible that many of their potential ED students who dropped off finally got the hint (as we did!)....</p>
<p>I'm an alum, and my D's acceptance (and she was qualified, by grades, scores, and unusual schooling background), has made me more loyal and interested in contributing once I have the wherewithal. Thank goodness for tuition benefits.
Fair number of kids admitted from PA public local schools, including the Philly magnet Masterman (and many NOT rich kids attend). Not sure where the info about decreasing admissions from NY/NJ came from. Penn had a large increase a few years ago in ED applicants; there was a small dip (<2%) in applicants this year- and I strongly suspect it came from Harvard and Princeton decision to eliminate ED. Let's see what happens in RD rounds.</p>
<p>dufay: It actually came from a Daily Pennsylvanian article when Stetson disappeared...It did not, however, include PA applicants...If I remember reading somewhere on another Penn thread, they make a conscience effort to admit students from the Philly area which I think is very prudent.....</p>
<p>@Wharton4life:
Remember when I said non-wharton applicants? That's the only school where they don't seem to be choosing <em>as much</em> based on wealthy alumni. This is probably because they just get too many outstanding students to turn down. Also, wharton is basically the only part of Penn that is fueling their reputation, so they need to make sure that they are putting forth only their best into the finance/ibanking world. So, wealthy alumni's children must not be part of that group!</p>
<p>p.s.
Just from a bias standpoint. I am not one of those rejected and qualified and non-legacy candidates. I am just saying this because I have seen a travesty year after year in high school when our top seniors don't get in ED, but then the wealthy legacy who was held back a grade in math does. Because of this I am one of those people who would have applied, but instead chose to apply somewhere else, because my guidance told me that I wouldn't get into Penn for these reasons only.</p>
<p>p.p.s
I know a lot of other schools give preference to legacies, but none that I know of in the same ballpark as Penn. But, I have never seen so many undeserving people get into a school as I have seen at Penn. Also, in the past 4 years, 8 people have gotten into Penn, and only 1 was a non-legacy (and his brother went there).</p>
<p>"Just from a bias standpoint. I am not one of those rejected and qualified and non-legacy candidates. I am just saying this because I have seen a travesty year after year in high school when our top seniors don't get in ED, but then the wealthy legacy who was held back a grade in math does. Because of this I am one of those people who would have applied, but instead chose to apply somewhere else, because my guidance told me that I wouldn't get into Penn for these reasons only."</p>
<p>DITTO!!!!</p>
<p>I think...I am so unlucky to be in the class of 2008...but then what about next year's class? At this rate, the universities will have to continuing expanding if they want to keep up with the numbers.</p>
<p>MIT EA acceptance rate went up..</p>
<p>^ yay!</p>
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<p>The presumptuousness and sheer *wrong*ness of this is astounding. Do you have any idea how amazing Penn is as a whole? have you even looked? Ugh.</p>
<p>Were EA acceptance rates up at ND?</p>
<p>From the Northwestern board today:</p>
<p>ED numbers </p>
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<p>From North by Northwestern, 1/9/08:</p>
<p>NU gets more ED apps, takes slightly fewer students
By Tom Giratikanon</p>
<p>NUs early decision applications rose 16.9 percent this year to 1,531, from 1,310 last year, according to the admissions office. </p>
<p>Northwestern took 561 students early for the Class of 2012, six fewer than before, pushing the ED acceptance rate down to about 37 percent.</p>
<p>I personally think that Stanford has become more competitive, not less, in the EA round as well as RD. It is still unique among the top schools for its location, and other qualities that the other schools don't possess (note, I am not necessarily saying better, but different), like top athletics, some unique majors, very strong engineering programs and good departments across the board, etc. </p>
<p>The number of EA admits has gone down from 800 in the first year (class of 08) to 736 this year. You also have to remember that ALL the recruited athletes--and there are more at Stanford than elsewhere (800 varsity athletes on campus, more varsity sports than just about any other D1 school as far as I know)--are in that group, making a non-recruited-athlete part of a very small group. More like 536 out of the entire pool, I think.</p>