<p>interestingguy where did you go to school? I just want to know.</p>
<p>and there is no reason to hate on Rice. It doesn’t compare itself to an Ivy and has no desire to. It markets itself as a smaller school with great athletics, and overall is a solid university. No one is making the argument it is Ivy league, the man was just saying it was a solid improvement that he was impressed with. Stop hating on people as much please. He was just saying it was impressive, which any improvement in this economy for ED is.</p>
<p>andy,
I’ll argue very strongly that Rice is an Ivy peer. Take a look at the data below. Rice is one of the schools. All of the 5 non-HYP colleges are included. Can you tell them apart??</p>
<p>College = Fresh Retention , 4 Yr Grad Rate , 6-Yr Grad Rate </p>
<p>College A = 98.0% , 82% , 94%
College B = 98.0% , 79% , 94%
College C = 96.8% , 82% , 93%
College D = 97.8% , 81% , 88%
College E = 98.0% , 86% , 95%
College F = 96.2% , 88% , 95%
College G = 96.5% , 85% , 94%
College H = 97.5% , 84% , 94%
College I = 98.0% , 88% , 95%
College J = 98.5% , 87% , 95%
College K = 96.0% , 84% , 89%
College L = 96.2% , 87% , 93% </p>
<p>College = Classes with <20 students , >50 , S/F Ratio </p>
<p>College A = 65.2% , 12.7% , 7/1
College B = 72.2% , 11.7% , 6/1
College C = 65.4% , 8.1% , 5/1
College D = 70.8% , 6.4% , 3/1
College E = 62.5% , 8.7% , 8/1
College F = 71.4% , 5.0% , 8/1
College G = 74.2% , 8.7% , 7/1
College H = 70.6% , 9.2% , 8/1
College I = 72.9% , 7.3% , 6/1
College J = 77.2% , 8.4% , 6/1
College K = 67.7% , 6.6% , 8/1
College L = 58.1% , 16.8% , 10/1 </p>
<p>College = SAT 25 - SAT 75 , ACT 25 - ACT 75 , Top 10% students</p>
<p>College A = 1380 - 1560 , 31 - 34 , 97%
College B = 1330 - 1540 , 30 - 34 , 92%
College C = 1320 - 1530 , 30 - 34 , 85%
College D = 1470 - 1560 , 33 - 35 , 97%
College E = 1330 - 1550 , 29 - 34 , 90%
College F = 1340 - 1540 , 30 - 34 , 90%
College G = 1380 - 1540 , 31 - 34 , 96%
College H = 1320 - 1540 , 28 - 33 , 93%
College I = 1330 - 1520 , 30 - 33 , 99%
College J = 1360 - 1550 , 29 - 34 , 94%
College K = 1330 - 1500 , 30 - 33 , 84%
College L = 1300 - 1500 , 29 - 33 , 88%</p>
<p>College = % of Need Met , Per Capita Endowment </p>
<p>College A = 100% , $977,647
College B = 100% , $965,310
College C = 100% , $844,916
College D = 100% , $782,841
College E = 100% , $674,475
College F = 100% , $435,544
College G = 100% , $393,510
College H = 100% , $333,977
College I = 100% , $327,756
College J = 100% , $308,105
College K = 100% , $289,010
College L = 100% , $275,149</p>
<p>Rice is a good school. It is arguably better than other ivy backups such as Tufts, Emory, and WUSTL.</p>
<p>But the fact of the matter is, a top hs student will be limiting his or her career prospects by going there.</p>
<p>Top i-banking and consulting firms do not actively recruit at Rice. Prestigious and selective positions in hedge funds, private equity and venture capital firms are essentially the exclusive domain of Ivy (esp. HYP and Wharton) and Stanford grads.</p>
<p>If you know you want to be an architect, then by all means go to town (Houston). However, many other top colleges are phasing out (or have already phased out) their bachelor’s of architecture programs because the masters is what most architectural firms require or at least recommend. </p>
<p>It is important to note that you don’t need to go to a college that offers a B.Arch. Curriculum to fulfill prerequisites for the masters.</p>
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<p>Maybe, but Duke does…and fails miserably. Possibly catching up with Cornell is nothing to write home about because we all know that Cornell is really an “ivy” in name only.</p>
<p>i-guy,
You’re out of your league. Have you ever been to Texas? Rice has plenty of grads placed in some pretty prominent places, even including finance and VC (ever heard of John Doerr??). It’s a small school with nearly half of its students coming from Texas, but its placement packs a wallop. The students are very good and, better yet, they’re not arrogant as all-get-out. </p>
<p>Texans aren’t overly impressed with a dinky industry like investment banking. I-banking is a scourge, a lot of the folks in the industry have disgraced the field and your generation will be paying for their mistakes for years. </p>
<p>Let’s talk about an industry that really is important and essential to our economy and where entrepreneurship lives-energy. Compared to Rice, which Ivy college would better position one to enter that industry?</p>
<p>I don’t like humidity…</p>
<p>Could Rice use its ties to the “energy” industry to get better air conditioning???</p>
<p>^ I think I-guy went to 'furd… ;)</p>
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I highly doubt it, unless he is a complete hypocrite. IG has posted in the past about recruited athletes, and Stanford certainly has its fair share.</p>
<p>Let the speculation continue. ;)</p>
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<p>Look at the teams participating in the DOE’s “Solar Decathlon” project.
([DOE</a> Solar Decathlon: Teams](<a href=“http://www.solardecathlon.org/teams.cfm]DOE”>http://www.solardecathlon.org/teams.cfm))
Rice has been a perennial participant. Its team placed 8th this year out of 20. Cornell’s placed 7th (the only Ivy participant). Team Germany, alas, beat all the Americans.</p>
<p>I would agree that for some young architects, a B.A. plus M.Arch. is a more desirable path than a terminal B.Arch., if you can devote the extra time. But not everyone agrees. Some students want to become immersed in hands-on design projects (such as the “Solar Decathlon”) early in their schooling (but they still want solid liberal arts and science courses). If that is what you’re after, Rice is probably a better choice than any Ivy other than Cornell (although the joint RISD/Brown program is very appealing).</p>
<p>Hey, Hawkette, are you going to tell us the answers now? What are the A-L schools?</p>
<p>Tk,
As you undoubtedly realized, my message with the hidden college identities is that the statistical differences are quite small. These are all terrific colleges with excellent and deep student bodies, learning in manageable class sizes, and returning/graduating in impressive numbers, not to mention the fact that all meet 100% of the student’s demonstrated need. The qualitative differences between them are slight, if they exist at all. </p>
<p>Here is the key: </p>
<p>College A = MIT
College B = Stanford
College C = Rice
College D = Caltech
College E = Dartmouth
College F = Duke
College G = Wash U
College H = Brown
College I = U Penn
College J = Columbia
College K = Vanderbilt
College L = Cornell</p>
<p>And the data again:</p>
<p>College = Classes with <20 students , >50 , S/F Ratio</p>
<p>MIT = 65.2% , 12.7% , 7/1
Stanford = 72.2% , 11.7% , 6/1
Rice = 65.4% , 8.1% , 5/1
Caltech = 70.8% , 6.4% , 3/1
Dartmouth = 62.5% , 8.7% , 8/1
Duke = 71.4% , 5.0% , 8/1
Wash U = 74.2% , 8.7% , 7/1
Brown = 70.6% , 9.2% , 8/1
U Penn = 72.9% , 7.3% , 6/1
Columbia = 77.2% , 8.4% , 6/1
Vanderbilt = 67.7% , 6.6% , 8/1
Cornell = 58.1% , 16.8% , 10/1</p>
<p>College = SAT 25 - SAT 75 , ACT 25 - ACT 75 , Top 10% students</p>
<p>MIT = 1380 - 1560 , 31 - 34 , 97%
Stanford = 1330 - 1540 , 30 - 34 , 92%
Rice = 1320 - 1530 , 30 - 34 , 85%
Caltech = 1470 - 1560 , 33 - 35 , 97%
Dartmouth = 1330 - 1550 , 29 - 34 , 90%
Duke = 1340 - 1540 , 30 - 34 , 90%
Wash U = 1380 - 1540 , 31 - 34 , 96%
Brown = 1320 - 1540 , 28 - 33 , 93%
U Penn = 1330 - 1520 , 30 - 33 , 99%
Columbia = 1360 - 1550 , 29 - 34 , 94%
Vanderbilt = 1330 - 1500 , 30 - 33 , 84%
Cornell = 1300 - 1500 , 29 - 33 , 88%</p>
<p>College = % of Need Met , Per Capita Endowment</p>
<p>MIT = 100% , $977,647
Stanford = 100% , $965,310
Rice = 100% , $844,916
Caltech = 100% , $782,841
Dartmouth = 100% , $674,475
Duke = 100% , $435,544
Wash U = 100% , $393,510
Brown = 100% , $333,977
U Penn = 100% , $327,756
Columbia = 100% , $308,105
Vanderbilt = 100% , $289,010
Cornell = 100% , $275,149</p>
<p>Yes, of course.</p>
<p>I knew Rice was a wealthy school, but am a little surprised to see its per capita endowment so much higher than 5 of the Ivies. Lower S/F ratio than 5 of them, too.</p>
<p>@ interestingguy</p>
<p>Question still stands, where did/do you go? Still want to know, and not being sarcastic, I seriously want to know.</p>
<p>@hawkette</p>
<p>I’m not bashing on Rice, I am just saying that Rice doesn’t market itself as an Ivy. It tries to be a smaller, southern school. I know people that go there. It is a good school and people in the know respect it (other then interestingguy). I highly respect Rice, but it is not the same type of university as an Ivy. To me, it is more like a liberal arts college like Amherst or Williams, though I know it isn’t, I still regard it in that way because its smaller (<4000). I’m not hating on it, its just different. Academically its definitely on par with the Ivy league.</p>
<p>Whoa, not going to hide it - my respect for Rice has grown a little after seeing that data haha.</p>
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<p>I actually feel like he does go to Stanford, considering his primary attack relates to how I didn’t get into Stanford (boohooo I’m crying… /sarcasm. I’m over it give it a break), mentions Stanford consistently as prestigious, etcetc. And, IBclass06, whenever he gives Duke crap for recruiting athletes, he always backs up Stanford’s recruiting methods and labels Stanford’s methods as legitimate.</p>
<p>Meh, kind of sad that my best friend may go to the same school as such a prick. I’m glad not ALL Stanford students are stuck up. …</p>
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<p>You shouldn’t, especially considering that Rice’s per capita endowment almost doubles that of Duke. Perhaps it’s time for Duke to accept more developmental admits again?</p>
<p>Don’t worry though, Rice is soon expanding its enrollment so it’s per capita endowment should come down closer to Duke levels.</p>
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<p>This could be true. Compared to Duke, Rice doesn’t seem to have nearly as much ivy envy or pretensions.</p>
<p>^ I mean, developmental admit$…</p>
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<p>Is there a press release, or some such, to substantiate this?</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p>“Rice will celebrate its 100th anniversary in 2012. In announcing the Centennial Campaign, Leebron said the initiative will provide resources the university needs to achieve the goals of its Vision for the Second Century (V2C), which include strengthening its research, increasing scholarship resources, expanding its undergraduate enrollment by 30 percent, building stronger connections to its home city of Houston and enhancing its global presence and opportunities.”</p>
<p>[Rice</a> University | News & Media](<a href=“http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=11735&SnID=1215277700]Rice”>http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=11735&SnID=1215277700)</p>
<p>This is at least the second time that you’ve asked me to provide a link to something that is fairly common knowledge in CC. </p>
<p>If you need a quick tutorial on how to use a search engine, don’t be afraid to ask. The CC community is usually very patient with slow learners.</p>
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<p>Because, apparently, admitting 2/3 of “legacy” Dukie$ (via ED) is still not quite good enough…</p>
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<p>Thanks, how kind of you. But it won’t be necessary. I just want to see you work a little to substantiate some of your statements.</p>