ED Application Percentage Changes at the Top Universities

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<p>i-guy,
A 30% increase in undergraduate enrollment at Rice has only a modest impact on their per capita endowment which would decline to $720k. This remains well ahead of all of the non-HYP Ivies. And did I mention that Rice uses its endowment to help its students. Rice’s cost for Tuition & Fees is $31,248. Nearly all of the other schools mentioned cost more than 20% more. </p>

<p>Re legacies, I think you overrate how their admittances impact the entering class at the most selective universities. It’s not like many (any??) of these kids are getting in with a 1320 and a 3.5 GPA when the school’s average is probably more like a 1420 and a 3.9. Heck, I think that the children of professors get better treatment. </p>

<p>As this legacy issue relates to Duke and your suggestion that their entering class may be weak, can you explain the following?</p>

<p>SAT CR 25-75, % scoring 700+</p>

<p>660-760, 60% Duke
650-760, 57% Stanford
650-740, 52% U Penn
650-760, 58% Brown</p>

<p>SAT Math 25-75, % scoring 700+</p>

<p>680-780, 68% Duke
680-780, 66% Stanford
680-780, 70% U Penn
670-780, 66% Brown</p>

<p>ACT 25-75, % scoring 30+</p>

<p>30-34, 75% Duke
30-34, 77% Stanford
30-33, 76% U Penn
28-33, 66% Brown</p>

<p>Top 10% Students</p>

<p>90% Duke
92% Stanford
99% U Penn
93% Brown</p>

<p>and please also note that they don’t affect graduation rates either…</p>

<p>4-Year, 6-Year Graduation Rates</p>

<p>88%, 95% Duke
79%, 94% Stanford
88%, 95% U Penn
84%, 94% Brown</p>

<p>If these numbers are the result of admitting too many legacies, maybe Duke should admit a few more. It might boost their ranking.</p>

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<p>My word should be sufficient substantiation…</p>

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<p>Duke actively selects for the SAT, more so than Stanford, UPenn, Brown, etc. That’s why Duke has a much lower yield than these other schools. In other words, it is less relatively “holistic.”</p>

<p>Also, unlike the others you mentioned, Duke can offer merit money to artificially boost its stats as well.</p>

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<p>I said closer to Duke levels, NOT the same as Duke levels.</p>

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<p>^^I see. A man of honor need not bother himself with evidence or attributions. </p>

<p>Your displays of old school snobbery are indeed fairly convincing from time to time.
Do keep practicing.
I had thought it was a lost art.</p>

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<p>All of these schools rate Standardized Test Scores as a “Very Important” feature in their admissions process. Duke’s process is no more or no less “holistic” than the others. I think you just don’t like the school. That’s fine…join the crowd as lots of folks don’t…but some of your comments and characterizations are inaccurate. </p>

<p>The reality is that for this level of school, very few students are getting in without having the full package of good high school academic transcript (including high marks in college prep courses), good standardized test scores, good recs and good ECs. And even then it’s a bit of crapshoot.</p>

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<p>^Doesn’t explain as to why the kids ranked above me or the ones with 2400s on the SATs (or even the ones who scored higher) from my high school were rejected while I was accepted. And no, I am definitely not a developmental admit. I’ll stop you before you even begin with that argument.</p>

<p>Stop pulling stuff out of your ass. I agree with hawette. Yeah, you don’t like Duke. Whatever. But there is no need for your snobby-self to make inaccurate generalizations or expansions upon inappropriate stereotypes.</p>

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<p>What does this say about Rice if it’s losing the cross-admit battles with the non-HYP ivies despite having a higher per capita endowment and cheaper tuition?</p>

<p>Despite these advantages, not to mention merit money, Rice is still less attractive than the non-HYP ivies.</p>

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<p>The more you post, the more I wonder about your claim to be a student at one of HYPSM. You’re really not very smart.</p>

<p>The issue with cross-admits between Rice and the Ivies would be hugely impacted by where the applicant is applying from. Rice may be less attractive to you (someone from NYC), but what do you think the relative yields are in Texas?? Do you even know what percentage of their students come from Texas? What do you think the relative yields are among prospective engineers? Please…get a clue.</p>

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<p>How does someone score higher than 2400s on the SATs???</p>

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<p>Do you shoot hoops?</p>

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<p>So you’re basically saying that Rice is only attractive in Texas…</p>

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<p>About one in two?</p>

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<p>Are ad hominem attacks really necessary, hawkeTTTe???</p>

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<p>More “new school” really…</p>

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<p>Sorry, I meant those who scored higher than me.</p>

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<p>i-guy,
Based on what you’ve posted so far here and elsewhere, I stand by my earlier assertion. </p>

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<p>And I’m confident that I have plenty of CC company who see it the same way. </p>

<p>As for your comments on Rice and your lame attempt to belittle it, I doubt that you know much about Texas and I’d bet heavily that you’ve never visited Rice or maybe ever even met someone who attended. </p>

<p>I could elucidate on the quality of Rice and the dynamism of Texas, but I’m pretty sure I’d be wasting my time with someone like you who already knows so much. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>The irony is that you didn’t attend any of the schools mentioned in this entire thread, hawkeTTTe…</p>

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<p>I know what you MEANT…</p>

<p>Happy holidays to you! Try not to “eat a lot”… :)</p>

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<p>Ouch! What a zinger! That really hurt, Charlie…</p>

<p>Your posts portray you as a one-man wrecking crew shattering the belief that you have to be intelligent to get into one of HYPSM.</p>

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<p>My name’s not Charlie…</p>

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<p>HYPSM >>> TTT</p>

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Put a different way, only slightly higher than the percentage of students at Stanford from California. ;)</p>

<p>As with all the other threads on CC lately, this one has gotten decidedly off track. It’s rather annoying that mods take the time to delete helpful blog links but let threads wander off down the bunny trail.</p>

<p>I’m not sure why everyone gets so hot and bothered by interestingguy. His posts are kid’s play compared to some of the threads on ******* (is it even still around?).</p>

<p>EDIT: Oops, it seems it is not allowed. Oh well.</p>