Elementary Education Major - What to Look for in a Program?

<p>There are few, if any, straight reciprocity agreements between/among states. By this I mean that certification in one state is automatically accepted by another state, no additional tests, requirements, documentation. A degree from an accredited teacher education program, regardless of in what state it was earned, is the cornerstone requirement in pretty much all states (there are very few alternative routes for elementary education). After that there is a mix of various tests, mostly Praxis I and several possible Praxix IIs, along with other things, such as criminal background check. I live and teach in Delaware and at one time or another looked into also getting certified in neighboring states (NJ, PA, MD). None of them required the exact same mix and also have certification processes of differing lengths and rigor. In my case, PA would take significantly longer (several months) than the others (usually a few weeks) while NJ would be significantly more expensive (sizable application fee, a couple of expensive tests). The bottom line is that a degree from an accredited teacher education program will allow your daughter to get certified in all states, but she will have to jump through hoops and it will take some time (which might mean a year delay in starting her teaching career). The best thing to do is to go where she likes the university and the program and when going through the certification process during her senior year, get certified in that state and all the neighboring states - the process is a lot easier when you are still a student and have your university’s ed. department staff helping you. </p>

<p>On the “getting students into classroom situations as early as possible” movement, it is a good idea but has practical limitations. Ed schools already struggle to find student teacher placements so some sort of new system/infrastructure has to be put into place that provides these hands-on opportunities without overburdening the schools and teachers.</p>

<p>As a teacher (5th grade), I’m usually willing to have a student teacher for a few weeks a year (I have one who is great right now who is in her last week with me and I will have another one in the second half of the year - unusual in my school to have two in one year) and occasional practicum students for a week or two at a time, but not at the same time and not week-after-week all year long. I also would have reservations about a constant succession of 18- and 19-year-olds in my classroom. It just becomes too disruptive to the routine of the classroom and often makes significantly more work for the cooperating teacher, especially if you get a dud. I’ve been lucky but I’ve had colleagues with real horror stories.</p>

<p>On the jobs issue, I don’t see many of my colleagues working past 65, actually very few going to 65, many retiring between 55 and 62. All the baby boomers are going to start retiring in droves so there will be jobs. The current economic woes have put a freeze on but a recovered economy and mass retirements will open the floodgates in the near future. And, teaching is a job that is not easily outsourced overseas.</p>

<p>I came to teaching late - 17 years in business and now in my ninth year of teaching - and teaching is what I was meant to do. But I wasn’t ready to become a teacher at 18 or even at 22. Let your daughter find a school where she fits in and feels comfortable, has a reasonably good program, and let her see what happens. Elementary education may be in her future . . . or maybe not. Whatever happens, good luck!</p>

<p>K9Leader, what do you think about the strategy of teaching in a high-demand region, like an underserved rural region, then later transferring to a higher-paying district? Can this work, or is there some stigma attached to starting out in a low paying district?</p>

<p>My sister sort of did this. Because her current district didn’t transfer her experience years, she took a pay hit relative to starting out in the higher paying district, but the pay boost was significant, and she did teach the entire time. I’m just wondering how this would work generally as a strategy to ‘get in the door’, vrs. sitting around for years waiting for a suburban job.</p>

<p>All ED majors in my university are being advised to get TESOL (Teaching English as a Second Language) or endorsements in teaching of students with learning disabilities (forgot the acronym) in addition to the basic requirements for an ED degree in order to make themselves more marketable in this tough job climate.</p>

<p>In New Jersey, the law requires that students majoring in ED must also double-major in a core classroom subject (i.e. Math, Bio, English, History–no Psych, no Communications). We’re not allowed to have separate “tracks” within the “subject” major for ED students either; they have to take the same classes as everyone else. It doesn’t matter if they want to teach secondary or elementary. They also have to maintain a 2.75 overall g.p.a. to get certified, which can be a problem if they get much higher grades in their ED classes than they do in their major (a common issue). </p>

<p>The OP’s daughter might look for a college with a major in Interdisciplinary Studies in a group of clustered disciplines (i.e. English/History or Science/Math). These IS majors will not get her subject certification to teach above grade 5 (at least in New Jersey), but they can be paired with an Elementary ED degree.</p>

<p>Getting experience (and a job in teaching) is always a good thing. However, go into it with the awareness that working in these districts has challenges and stressors even beyond the many, many that all teachers face. The first couple of years for any new teacher are rough - highly stressful, long hours, lots of uncertainty, confusion, self-doubt - and even more so for teachers in high needs areas. One key thing to look for is a well-established mentoring program for new teachers. Without a formalized support structure for new teachers, teaching in high-needs districts turns a lot of new teachers away from teaching.</p>

<p>In a perfect world (in which we fund education the way we fund bombers and tanks for the military) every new teacher would do an extended apprenticeship period of one-to-three years in a co-teaching arrangement with a veteran teacher. Oh, and class sizes would be no more than 18, with some classes as small as 6 - 8 for higher needs students. Oh, and endless coffee and donuts in the teachers’ lounge?</p>

<p>K9Leader
(enjoying some kickback time while my student teacher solos)</p>

<p>Many thanks everyone for all the valuable advise. I now know a lot more than I did a weeks ago and will use this knowledge to help my daughter find the best possible school and program.</p>

<p>NJSue- Do you know which schools offer ESL on the undergrad level in NJ? I did a search on the CB web site and got zero matches.</p>

<p>My D is a Literature/Education major and will be working on getting at least a minor in Spanish but I am not sure that qualifies to certify her as ESL. No matter it will not change her plans. All the ESL programs I found were graduate programs.</p>

<p>^^^Look for the terms “ESL endorsement.” Fairleigh Dickinson, The College of New Jersey, and Monmouth University have such programs at the undergraduate level; I’m sure Rider, Rutgers, Stockton State, and Seton Hall must have something similar. The endorsements programs generally require 15-18 credits (5-6 classes), similar to a minor. The endorsement would be combined with a regular ED degree + classroom subject major.</p>

<p>Thanks Sue-</p>

<p>I checked the first three colleges- they all have ESL endorsement under their graduate programs. Seems you need a bachelors.</p>

<p>A couple of things to consider. Daughter -in-law was laid off after 1 year teaching. She has been unable to find anything but substitute teaching since. All the positions are being filled by those with Masters degrees. She is returning to school in spring to begin hers. I don’t know if the education field has the undergrad/masters programs but it may be something to consider. </p>

<p>S3 began a program at Longwood U in VA. They put the students in the classroom with a teacher after the first year. It was enough to convince him he did not want it as a career. However, their program had another statistic we thought was significant. Not only did they place a very high percentage of their graduates in education jobs, a high percentage of their graduates were still working in education after 5 years. To me that says they weed out those not suitable (like S3) and train the rest very well to survive the stress of the classroom. So some statistics you may want to inquire about during your search.</p>

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<p>Some time ago in another thread, CC folks were advising kids to skip getting the masters, as schools preferred lower-cost bachelors. Has something changed?</p>

<p>Treetop- I think it depends on the district. Some of the elite want a Masters and are willing to pay but some middle class districts are cost conscience. What tops everything, at least in NJ, is what connection do you have. My D’s college does not offer a 5 yr. bachelor/master program so she decided to work towards getting certified in Literature and Spanish.</p>

<p>If you are a math or science major everything posted above changes- you are in demand.</p>