<p>I think most people got to Harvard and Yale for the experience of being in the east coast/different area and the small class sizes.</p>
<p>I disagree. I would say most people go to Harvard and Yale because of its prestige and how it does in, what I consider arbitrary, rankings. Even if every class at Harvard were 200 people, people would still feel honored to get in and decided they cant turn down that so-called opportunity.</p>
<p>^^ agreed.</p>
<p>lol @ the mention of Harvey Mudd and you show up. :p</p>
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<p>Were did you come from? O’yeah, you’re the student that still doesn’t know if going to Berkeley was the right decision. Look, you’re obviously a person that doesn’t know what you want in life. You had to wait for somebody else to make a comment so that you can jump in. It looks like you’re one of those kids that needs somebody to hold your hand throughout college. I’m actually surprise that Berkeley and USC would accept a lame indecisive person like you. kyledavid is lame too, but at least he brings strong points to his argument. In other words I would recommend you to start getting a head start for the fall because it looks like you’re going to be part of that 10% kyledavid says don’t graduate. You need to get out now and leave that space for a student that’s actually going to get out with a degree. :-(</p>
<p>I’m not saying Berkeley is a bad school, I’m just saying that it doesn’t compare with Yale, Stanford, MIT, and such schools. Most students, hands down, would choose to go to one of these universities in a heart beat instead of Berkeley, you can just ask kyledavid about this.</p>
<p>You obviously don’t know how to read because I never said I dislike Asians. If Berkeley had too many African Americans or Latin/Hispanic I would say so. In this case, Berkeley has too many Asians and I believe many Asian themselves would agree, of course after they get accepted. Btw, you recommended Norte Dame for people who hate Asians….ok…who’s doing the stereotyping. Celsius you need to get off kyledavid’s nuts and create your own argument. Your mommy is not going to be with you all the time. Sorry the Berkeley thing is not going to work out. Some people just don’t have it, in this case you.
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<p>Re. ieleft</p>
<p>Uhh, I would like to know where you came from, because you barely have any posts. And I'm starting to think that you're a troll, because your arguments are getting more ridiculous.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but when I have choices, I have to make a decision. I'm not sure if going to Berkeley is the right decision yet, because I want to study business. I was accepted into NYU, USC, and Berkeley (and other business schools), but chose to go to Berkeley because it was cheaper. However, by going to Berkeley, I would have to apply to their business program two years later, whereas I was already accepted into NYU's Stern and USC's Marshall.</p>
<p>You obviously cannot read either, because I said myself, Berkeley is better than USC both prestigious wise and academic wise. The only reason I would choose USC was because I was already in their business program. Therefore, in my opinion, I think Berkeley > USC. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I do not understand why you are comparing Berkeley to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, etc. Kyledavid said that Berkeley's faculty is on par with Stanford's and Harvard's. He never said anything about the prestige. For many students where prestige is a factor, HYPSM often comes first. Therefore, don't being using the fact that Kyledavid is going to Stanford to say Berkeley is not as good academically.</p>
<p>I jumped in, because of the BS that you're spilling. You're saying random stuff about Berkeley and essentially dissing it. The facts that you provided were either BS or weren't researched at all. After you chose to start generalizing Asians, I realized how ignorant you were and chose to step in.</p>
<p>Since you have not applied to colleges and came to this website to decide whether you should go to USC or Berkeley, you should keep your mouth shut. For one, you probably won't get into either school, because of your attitude alone. And you came here looking for opinions on why people chose Berkeley over USC. We told you our opinions. Sadly, you don't have your own, because you won't get into either college. :(</p>
<p>I don't care whether or not you said you like Asians. Just because you don't say it directly, you are implying that you do not like Asians. Your numerous generalizations just show how ignorant you are towards diversity, so why bother looking for it? Or judging Berkeley based on that alone? 40% Asian is still better than 50% White at USC, isn't it?</p>
<p>I recommended Norte Dame, because there were very few Asians there. My friend is going there next year. Since you are not in favor of Asians, you will be happy to know that you won't find many there. Then again, of course, Norte Dame is an excellent school, so you probably won't get in either. :-(</p>
<p>Re: KevinSF90
You obviously don’t think Celsius will buy that crap I said. He/she needs to stop attacking people and concentrate on their work.
Lame is not as bad as it may sound in your country. In the US many people call their friends lame. It’s not as offensive as you may think here in the states.
40% wouldn’t be an issue if the US or California population was 40% Asian. That is not the case though. And yes, there are other universities that are not doing the same, but the thing is that they are not claiming to do it like Berkeley is. If Berkeley wouldn’t be saying diversity in every sentence, then I wouldn’t even bring it up. I don’t know where the “Africans are not the poorest” thing came from because I never said Africans were the poorest people in SF. I’ve never being to SF and I’m not African. I believe that is stereotyping in your part, but the reason Asians are the poorest is because SF has a large population of Asians that bring their family members from Asia illegally. Therefore, many of these people end up struggling with jobs and aid from the government. With that said, I believe that hard working Asians should be given the chance to work and stay in the US.
You’re right that everybody is entitled to say what they want. I hope kiledavid won’t get discourage by the word “lame” and lose sleep over it.
Regarding the ranking list you posted, if you go to the bottom of it you will see the words Shanghai Jiao Tong University which only makes it seem it’s a list for Asian students.
Re: kyledavid
At least I got you to say “Sure, Berkeley might not be comparable on the undergrad level.” I knew you would give in sooner or later.
10k can be overcome.
Yes, all top universities play politics.
Just because you’re white, doesn’t mean you don’t hate whites. This is very common. You know what you said.
The five 20’s idea isn’t bad, but there would have to be some arrangements for the ones you didn’t mention.
What vendetta against Berkeley? You need to stop thinking that everybody is attacking you. Stanford was probably tough for you and made you think that everybody is against you. That is not the case. Only because somebody disagrees with you or your job, doesn’t mean they hate you.
Many minorities other than Asians are being left out and I believe you’ve posted the stats several times. Just because Berkeley has 1% or 5% of a minority group, doesn’t mean they are being involved as they should. The fact is that these numbers only seem to be for political reasons. In order for other minorities to increase at Berkeley, some of the 40% students will have to be cut for students that have lower GPA’s or test scores. I know it sounds unfortunate, but it needs to be done in order for a foundation to be set for these other minorities. If they are not given a chance to compete, they will not be able to prove themselves and open doors for family members and their ethnicity groups. There might be a slight shift for Berkeley at first but it will adjust with time.
I never meant to offend the Asian race or put people down, but I know when we voice our opinions on issues of race, somebody will end up taking it the wrong way. I apologize if somebody got hurt. And yes, racism is still present even at Berkeley so if you let my words get you down then you better get ready for life because racism will probably be here for the rest of your lifetime.
Re Celsius:
Wow! Do you want an award for your discovery? Who the hell cares about your life? I don’t want to hear your lame personal life just because you got diss. I can see you’re weak by reading your last comment. Do me a favor, first look at yourself in the mirror. Ok, now slap yourself. Hopefully that will wake you up. Look, I can see that I can easily tear you apart and make you fail because everybody knows you don’t have what it takes to make it in the real world. You have weak written all over you. You obviously need a mentor to make it through Berkeley; I suggest you email kyledavid so he can hold your hand throughout college.
Your words make you sound like your writing and shaking with tears, you shouldn’t let it get to you that way. “I should keep my mouth shut,” what ever happen to letting people voice their opinions?<br>
I can tell you’re a young buck who needs to grow up and get ready for life. KevinSF gave me some good advice, so I’m not going to waste my time putting you down. I hope you succeed and do well at Berkeley, it will help the economy. Remember there are always community colleges where you can get a certificate in Business just in case Berkeley doesn’t work out. Don’t let lame people like me put you down; there are many like me all over. Good luck Celsius.</p>
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<p>Didn't I already refute the "reflection of population" argument?</p>
<p>California is 1/3 Hispanic. Should our schools, then, be 1/3 as well?</p>
<p>The US is 4% Asian. Should our schools be 4% Asian?</p>
<p>The US is 80% white. Should our schools be 80% white?</p>
<p>You get the point.</p>
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<p>I don't know where you're getting this. I have quite a bit of experience and knowledge of Berkeley's publicity, and it really doesn't tout diversity like you're saying. Methinks you're making this up to strengthen your weak argument.</p>
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<p>Uh, I said that many posts ago, when emphasizing that Berkeley is not comparable, on the whole, at the undergrad level to HYPS, but it is in certain measures. USC isn't even comparable to HYPS in those measures. ;)</p>
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<p>Sure it can. Just not in as little as "3-6 months," generally.</p>
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<p>I will ask you again: where have I made "racist" remarks? You didn't answer my question. Point out my "racist" remarks. I will clarify if need be. Or others can judge whether they were "racist" in nature.</p>
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What vendetta against Berkeley? You need to stop thinking that everybody is attacking you.
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<p>I'm not saying anyone is attacking me. Again, I'm just pulling apart your nonsensical arguments, using a little known thing called logic. Your bias colors your arguments to an unfathomable degree. That bias makes your arguments seem almost like a vendetta against Berkeley. It is a mere observation.</p>
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Stanford was probably tough for you and made you think that everybody is against you.
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<p>"Tough" for me? Where are you getting this? You keep making up life stories to try to bring down your opponent's argument. It's a poor tactic.</p>
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Just because Berkeley has 1% or 5% of a minority group, doesn’t mean they are being involved as they should. The fact is that these numbers only seem to be for political reasons.
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<p>"Involved"? "Political reasons"? Your points are getting more and more vague, which to me indicates a lack of clarity in thought and in logic.</p>
<p>Let's say that it were for these mysterious "political reasons" (how you're able to discern that, o wise one, I don't know). How is it any different for USC, which actively and explicitly practices affirmative action? Seems pretty political to me.</p>
<p>Berkeley doesn't practice AA. It isn't allowed to. Kinda takes the political force out of it, don't you think? :rolleyes:</p>
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The fact is that these numbers only seem to be for political reasons. In order for other minorities to increase at Berkeley, some of the 40% students will have to be cut for students that have lower GPA’s or test scores.
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<p>Now you're coming up with a plan for Berkeley? You still have not answered what I have said about USC. It's slightly less diverse than Berkeley, in terms of % Hispanics and blacks. Why are you applying your wise plan only to Berkeley? Why do you keep bashing Berkeley for "lacking diversity" when USC has even less of it? Why turn the other cheek? Why so intentionally blind?</p>
<p>I think this debate can be over. ieleft clearly lacks the maturity and clarity of mind to argue without insult, prevarication, or poor logic.</p>