<p>I am trying hard not to respond to any more of your posts, but you keep posting misinformation about IU concerning your situation-- with probable incorrect residency rules being the most recent-- and I feel obligated to correct them for other people reading this thread. If you are a resident when you enter a degree program at IU, and then your parents move, you can finish the program as long as you are “continuously enrolled in the university [and] until such person’s degree shall have been earned”. At least that is what I think the link below is saying, although it is not easy to understand. Worth checking into further with IU for anybody who is in this situation.
[Policies:</a> Academic Bulletins: Resources: Office of Creative Services: Indiana University](<a href=“http://creativeservices.iu.edu/resources/bulletins/policies.shtml#residency]Policies:”>http://creativeservices.iu.edu/resources/bulletins/policies.shtml#residency)</p>
<p>Also, for anyone who might be living in Indiana and thinks working in Louisville means you have to move to Kentucky, please note that Louisville is one mile from Indiana and there are no laws that to work in Louisville you must live in KY! According to the IN department of workforce development, in 2008 5,146 people residing in the three Indiana counties that border Louisville worked “out of state”. This overwhelmingly means Louisville, Kentucky, since there are no other states but KY within 70 miles of these counties. </p>
<p>Now stop mentioning IU unless your information is accurate and I will stop posting!!!</p>
<p>Hmmm…quality of education and affordability are pretty important factors for many students. I think you’re putting an awful lot of weight on location and disregarding the fact that many students simply don’t have that much time/need to venture off their campuses! When they do, for shopping or entertainment, they often have budget constraints or have friends who do, so the group will make plans based on what the kid with the least amount of cash will agree to! The more affluent kids seem to do more of the shows/sightseeing/travel over breaks. You also may be in for a bit of “culture shock” if you attend a school that’s full of NY kids…they’re a peculiar breed, and not known to be warm/fuzzy exactly. Anyway, the entire “college experience” thing is so overrated in most cases…it’s entirely possible to be have a great experience at almost any school if you go in with a positive outlook and give it a little time. It’s not as easy to find a school that will really deliver a great education with quality advising.</p>
<p>I think that if you’re willing to lower the quality of your undergrad education, thinking that grad school will make up for it, just to live in/near NYC for a few years, you’re making a mistake and will probably regret it. I have to wonder why your parents think NYC should be a priority at all. I’m glad my kids know that we’re paying for their education, first and foremost, and that they know how to “bloom where they’re planted”! I’m not bashing King’s, as I’ve never even heard of them (and I live in NY!), but I just can’t imagine how a small school like that could possibly deliver the same caliber of education, services, and opportunities that a larger, nationally ranked university would have. It’s your decision, of course, but it’s an important one so please make sure your priorities are where they should be!</p>
<p>Everyone that I’ve talked to said that the quality of education at King’s is top-notch, challenging, and they do not regret picking it. They apparently have a very good internship program and job placement program.</p>
<p>If I were limited to a “larger, nationally ranked” university then that would eliminate about 90% of colleges. If I work hard and are motivated, then I have no regrets. If I do absolutely hate it then I could always transfer to a school that does offer transfer aid. </p>
<p>On the other side, I understand what you say and agree with you. But, King’s offer very personal attention. I really like that. I even said that if I didnt go to NYU, I wanted a smaller school so I didnt drown and get forgotten. I’m SOOOO confused about what to do. At this point in the game (July 1 now) my options are very limited. </p>
<p>King’s is indeed a very small school. but there are many good things about it being small. first of all, classes range from 5-50 students. with that being said, the teachers teach the class themselves and they do not have a TA teaching their classes for them unlike other large universities. the teachers actually care about their students and invest a lot of time to help the students succeed in any way. at a regular large college/university, you sit in lecture halls with over 100 students. your professors are all sucked in writing their books and thus their TA’s do some if not all the work. those professors most likely do not even know who their students are. and thats not naive or ignorant, its just true.</p>
<p>Oh, and my mom DOESNT think NYC is a priority. But I’m the one paying for my college. Not them. So I’m making the major decisions. Along with you guys I guess :p</p>
<p>Edit: I’m the one paying for the majority of my college. They’re contributing like $10k a year. Rest on me (all federal loans and all).</p>
<p>I understand your fear of getting lost in a big university…my D goes to a school with about 27,000 students (grad and undergrad) and she had reservations about that as well before she started last year. The truth is that although the introductory lectures might be large, they are taught by well-known profs who are conducting research and writing articles (and texts) but there are also smaller recitation sections each week. Yes, TA’s run some of these sections, as do the profs themselves, but that’s not always a bad thing…they’re grad students and can remember, and anticipate, what the students are going to have trouble with. The profs also have office hours constantly, so it’s not like you don’t have an opportunity to talk with them! Once you’re beyond the 100/200 levels, the class sizes drop dramatically and would then be “normal” sized.</p>
<p>The other myth about large schools is that it’s just a sea of people…it’s not true. Larger schools are like small towns, they’re made up of many little “neighborhoods”…whether that’s through organizations, majors, dorms, or something else. I realize that you’re not into large schools, and that’s fine, but there’s surely a middle ground available and that’s all I was trying to get you to look at. By “larger, nationally ranked”, I didn’t mean the UCLA’s of the college world! Just don’t pick your school based on location alone…would you still be interested in King’s if it were 40 miles futher north? If not, King’s may be the right school for you, but I just have a feeling that there are other schools that would serve your educational needs and long-term career plans better. </p>
<p>Btw, don’t count on getting much in the way of “transfer aid” either, at most schools it’s a few thousand at best.</p>
<p>You all make me question what I want soooo much… ahhh! I’m not going to make ANY decisions until I visit Kings and Pace. I take what you all say very seriously.</p>
<p>At this point though, my options are limited…</p>
<p>Okay, I’m confused…this is King’s College in NYC right? According to College Board, they have 302 undergrads in TOTAL, admit 74% of applicants, and of last year’s cohort of 103 students, 22% were in the top 10% of their HS class. About 1% of their grads, on average, go to law school and 4% attend grad school in other fields. What about this says “top notch” to you?</p>
<p>Not much says “top notch” to me. But I’m out of options. There arent many schools that I didnt withdrawal from. The respectable colleges are all full or out of money (or lost scholarships).</p>
<p>And they gave me a lot of money. At this point, its my only AFFORDABLE option. Unless another school gives me loads (University of Tampa).</p>
<p>I think you should slow down and regroup. What would be the worst that could happen if you take a gap year and reapply? You’d be able to make some money, perhaps do a little travelling, find a school that both affordable and would set you up well for grad school/careers…versus what? Settling for the only school that has openings and FA in NYC? Honestly, I’d be a little worried about why they can’t fill a class of 100 and the fact that very, very few NY’ers attend might be another red flag…a lot of city kids stay in/near their cities for college and most of the schools near NYC have tons of NY’ers, but King’s reports only 4% instate students (on the flip side, you wouldn’t have to worry about pushy NY’ers as much!) I don’t know what the deal is with King’s, but something just doesn’t add up right.</p>
<p>I hope one of the other schools comes through for you or you can get your questions answered and do a more thorough investigation of King’s when you visit. If not, I think considering all options should definitely include considering a gap year and a new set of priorities for the upcoming application season…and that’s what I would tell one of my kids if they found themselves in the same position. Life’s a journey, not a race. Good luck, stohare!</p>
<p>Its just so annoying. I know I’d be settling… A LOT. But everyone that goes there loves it. I just dont understand why it is so weird in their stats.</p>
<p>Stohare2010, slow down and take a deep breath. So many people are giving you so much advice. It might be wise to withdraw from this thread and get your thoughts together. The information can be overwhelming and a bit confusing.
You will do what is best for you. You will know it when you feel it/see it.
Visit the schools and see what you think.</p>
<p>I’ll come back next Saturday, July 10, and tell you all what I have decided to do. That is the day I get back from NYC.</p>
<p>But before then, if I were to take a gap year, are there any programs that I could do nationwide that would pay me, but not count against the FAFSA? Someone mentioned one in a different thread but I cant find it.</p>
<p>"*Does anyone know if NYU charges some kind of fee or gives a hard time for breaking an early decision contract?</p>
<p>I know of some schools that “blacklist” you from all other schools so you can’t go anywhere else. Does NYU stoop this low?*"</p>
<p>Which schools do this when unaffordability is the issue? </p>
<p>NYU could be the school most used to students declining the ED financial aid offer, for which there is no consequence (other that disappointment), as stated in the Common Application ED agreement:
<p>Just try to imagine it any other way, that a school could somehow compel attendance, and then expel the student when the bill couldn’t be paid. Imagine the horrible PR if any school did this.</p>
<p>– I just dont understand why it is so weird in their stats. –</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that the grad school figures for The King’s College graduates are tiny because the school was not regionally accredited for past graduating classes, so very few of these graduates could even get into graduate school. Grad schools tend to demand that applicants have degrees from regionally accredited universities. This is not an unrealistic expectation/requirement! Google the terms “graduate admissions” and “regionally accredited” and you will see this to be the case over and over within the set of 15,000+ hits you retrieve.</p>
Stohare, I think you are right to go visit. But there may be something cultish about King, because of the evangelical Christian connection. There are a lot of small bible colleges that have very sheltered, controlled environments, and a lot of very religious parents who want to see their kids in a “Christian” (meaning evangelical or fundamentalist) college – and King seems kind of different in that it is located in the heart of Manhattan and they appear to operate on the honor system rather than imposing a bunch of stringent rules, like curfews, on their students. So its possible that there are a lot of students there who come from extremely rigid family backgrounds and are very serious about their deeply-held religious views, but are absolutely delighted to be in an environment where they have more freedom and they experience the excitement of living in NY. </p>
<p>I don’t know – I’m just speculating and trying to do it in a positive way, based on what I’ve read about the school. What makes them happy is not necessarily what will make you happy.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t place a whole lot of emphasis on the class standing of students who enter – you could go to community college for two years and you would be in the company of many students who weren’t in the top of their high school class, but that doesn’t mean that community college is a waste of time. The question is what you put into it and get out of it.</p>
<p>I hope you have the chance to sit in on a class and talk to one or more of the faculty when you visit King. One thing that would concern me is that high degree of structure of the curriculum – you pretty much take the classes they offer, in the order that they offer them. Not much room for exploration. (And definitely not a typical college or university experience). Because of that structure - they may also have a strongly self-selecting group of students – that is, they may be very happy, but its possible that you will simply find that they are kids who are not your “type”. (But you have to decide that on your own … we here on CC have no clue what your “type” might be – the point is simply that King probably appeals to a very limited range of students).</p>