Emory Scholars 2022 Thread

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@Nomorelurker : WUSTL does struggle there. It may only be able to attract the middle range better than Emory, but Emory is less wealthy and technically caters more to the lower end of the bracket. I think people have many misconceptions (whether it be about academics, caliber, and socioeconomic demographics) about Emory perhaps because it does not market or put itself itself out there well enough. Not really even close. Remember that scholarships (merit) are nice, but only affect a chunk of the incoming or even applying students at Tulane. Emory is less wealthy than either. It attracts and takes care of more low income students with its need aid. At many elite schools (mainly those below the top 10 level), there seems to be a strong correlation between the score range they attempt to cherrypick and the overall socioeconomic demographics reflected in the final student body. I do not think it is coincidental as we know those from wealthier families tend to score higher (so by selecting them, you are also selecting wealthier students that may be full pay). Emory seems not to be playing this game (which just so happens to play the rankings game as well…2 birds one stone. Revenue source, plus selectivity boost), and suffers to grab the higher scoring people near the 100k line I guess due to lack of aid for those folks. It pays the price by having a high caliber, but poorer (okay less wealthy is far more accurate) student body that isn’t as great at multiple choice tests as some other schools. Honestly the latter is not much of a loss, as most instructors in these colleges do not or at least should not be giving multiple choice exams (furthermore, it is clear Emory students do just fine on things like the LSAT and MCAT especially when you adjust for the hordes of students that still apply to Law School and the hordes, in comparison to many places, that try for med…so somehow the school “catches them up”…)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/washington-university-in-st-louis
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/emory-university
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/tulane-university
Also Atlanta is very fun. It is, however, much more bustling than New Orleans, so it isn’t like you can and should party all of the time, but there is certainly a lot to do (especially for younger people, there is a reason they move to Atlanta in droves. It is a good time, affordable, and has a pretty strong economy in key areas graduates find attractive) despite it not having the same culture as classical southern cities. There is a lot to like if you value both fun and a place full of opportunity for a college aged student trying to develop themselves.

If it were not for the 1%ers…Emory honestly looks more like elite publics than other elite private research universities. Take its cross-town neighbor for example:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/georgia-institute-of-technology

@BiffBrown : The data mentioned above is revealing and is likely still relevant

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How many non-scholar merit awards are given out?

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Also, I wish all of our schools would stop being petty and get over themselves…writing articles describing irrelevant increases in an SAT or ACT score range and GPA. Can they please celebrate something else…like why the students came, what cool things they did before coming, their aspirations, etc? Emory began to do the latter like 3 years ago, but still does the former like everyone else. It reminds me of politicians throwing irrelevant red meat to their bases (alumni and current students too naive but “pat self on back” ready to realize how insignificant and irrelevant those changes are once in such a high range to begin with). Maybe it is a signal of reassurance: “Look we may be on the way to a rankings increase”. The fact that they feel the need to do these articles is quite pathetic and a little embarrassing (it reflects the fact that the students and alum they serve are overly concerned with subtle shifts in admissions statistics which can be completely contrived and manufactured and are blind to real indications of institutional health and change. It works as a very nice distraction when not much is happening on that front…just throw them a new building, nice incoming stats, and a slight increase in the rankings and watch them celebrate!). They should be able to put the crap on their admissions, in CDSs(or in Emory’s case in academic profiles) as informational tools and then talk about other things having to do with the beginning of the year, and the new students coming in…seriously.

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@xlhx33
Not many if you get in and need aid, appeal your fin aid award. There are some liberal arts scholars awards but not many.

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How many folks meet or exceed that threshold of 3.85+ and 1500+?

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@grandscheme
No one here knows that, but I would assume that since the acceptance rate for said students is probably below 50% that a lot of those students apply. I know a few 1500+ get rejected ED2 this cycle.

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@VANDEMORY1342 I meant that question for people in this conversation thread as a way to get an idea of who applies to Emory.

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@grandscheme i have a 3.89, but only a 1410 ahhhh

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@grandscheme : You won’t get a large enough sample size though as Emory has a tame CC following (as in the proportion of people that apply/go is bigger than the amount on here, likely by a ratio exceeding the other schools, and IMHO, this is a good thing because this place can get…interesting). Also, that probably isn’t the magical threshold. The Scholars Program isn’t stats based. It is mostly based on how different one is from a normal admit/what they can add that is perhaps different, and not statistically different. They are more likely to use Scholars to look for individuals talented/super accomplished in some areas (this is honestly a better way to measure “intellectual carbonation” than how much better people obey their teachers and bubble in answers on a standardized test than regular admits and they look for those who at least seem very intellectually driven: . You must at least be as good or probably a little better than the average admit statistically, but it just isn’t about that so there is no point in monitoring it. In previous cycles, most of the people in near perfect range were not interviewed and did not even receive Liberal Arts Scholarships/other non-interview requiring merit aid. To me, it seems to be ECs that help the most.

These are the qualities they are looking for:
http://college.emory.edu/scholars/about/qualities.html

And tons below that threshold will exhibit these qualities better than those above it (and tons below it are selected each year so you really need not be in the 75th % anymore. Under the nomination system, it seems people were selected based on stats perhaps because that is what the High Schools fed them). Do not concern yourself with it or else you will likely end up disappointed or think things are unfair if you have higher stats than an interviewed candidate. There will likely be a slight correlation, but the selection process isn’t about that (Emory for admissions doesn’t even put standardized test scores in the most strongly considered bracket). A high GPA, rigorous curriculum, self-teaching, academic engagement beyond the classroom, and a serious area of passion is much more likely to get selected. A 1500, 3.85 is just another 1500, 3.85 for these schools. There would only be a real bias towards that group (probably higher) if Emory wanted to raise its stats quickly which a) it displays little evidence of trying to do this and b) the amount of Scholars interviewed and then ultimately yielded is not enough to do anything to the score range.

Read this about as I believe both are Woodruff Scholars and note the attributes and achievements they described:

http://news.emory.edu/stories/2016/11/er_marshall_scholars/campus.html

There is this girl:
http://news.emory.edu/stories/2017/05/er_commencement_mcmullan_holmes/campus.html

If they guessed she was intellectually driven/scholarly, they clearly guessed right

They were both highly accelerated and went beyond what their HS curriculum could do for them by either self teaching or in Emilia’s case, just leaving and starting a full college load in another city. You don’t do that if you are just a normal high achieving. You go to those lengths when truly driven to learn more. There scores, as long as they were beyond the 50% of SAT/ACT was probably irrelevant (and they were probably high, but not mentioned here. It is notable that Emory does not mention it when other schools would) in comparison to their classroom/above classroom performance, and passion. Note how all 3 of these folks were really into their areas of interest or just waiting to break into them, they want evidence of that. Note how all 3 are graduate school bound (suggests that Emory Scholars also wants to take the types that are more likely to represent Emory in different spheres beyond the big 3 professions and it does indeed produce a lot of grad. school pursuers).

Again, they are looking for academic excellence (which is not only considered statistical perfection) and academic passion as well as deep passion in other areas.

This video is perhaps indicative of how adcoms and most importantly, faculty, view admitting only good “students” who do not evolve or want to evolve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_qwntrzjY

The Scholars Program aims for those who are already more on the “scholarly” side (which even among those in the highest statistical ranges, is not actually that common as most are just normal students who did what they felt they needed to do to get to the next step. A scholarly type has much more intrinsic motivation to learn and a natural curiosity that shows up in a resume or interview, separating themselves from other high achievers). The “scholarly” types are the ones who should be applying whether they are meet the 75% in each category or not. If you have something that shows higher than normal talent (they also look for artistic talent whether it be performing, language, or visual arts) beyond a commonly checked metric AND those measurements still paint you as strong, it is worth a shot.

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@lydmatts
Emory alone is a Reach/ maybe High Reach for you unless you have a hook I’m not aware of. So Scholars, which is a Reach for everyone, is certainly a lightning strike for you. Hope I didn’t offend.

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I’m so worried for tomorrow at 6 pm. But the fact that there were so many applicants this year definitely shows how competitive it is…oh well, fingers crossed nonetheless

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24 hours and some left to go. Fingers crossed here too.

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Did any other students receive an email from Emory Universtiy suggesting they apply to Oxford after applying to Emory?

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@highschooltoMD
OUCH!!!?

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What? Lol @VANDEMORY1342

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This is what the email said:

Another Emory University Application Opportunity

Thank you for your application to Emory College of Arts and Sciences, one of Emory’s two entry points for first-year students. On your application, you selected that you do not wish to be considered for admission to Oxford College, a second undergraduate opportunity at Emory University.

But just in case you changed your mind…here is an opportunity to apply to Oxford College.

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@VANDEMORY1342 : There you go being shady again lol. You know that e-mail likely meant nothing…it means that Oxford wants more applicants for some reason. I think Emory needs to stop that though. They are promoting this concept that people should willy nilly apply there.

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@Bernie12, I agree that there is a lot to do in Atlanta and more and more young college grads are coming here for that reason, as well as an increasingly strong economy. Emory has a lot to offer and although a stereotype, seems like it may have a more down to earth and diverse student body than WUSTL.

WUSTL has struggled with not being balanced socioeconomically. It also seems to have a fairly large representation of affluent students from the Northeast. I suspect’ this may in part be due to some trying to use it as a back up for Ivies, which WUSTL combats by deferring many who have not shown enough interest. There are many pluses about WUSTL and Emory. Not sure how many students apply to both. I know of several who applied to WUSTL and Tulane, but not Emory. In any case, less than 24 hours until the Emory Scholars email release!

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@highschooltoMD Yes! Except I got that email in November, a couple days after I applied. I wonder why there’s such a time difference?

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Hi, I’m new to this thread, but I was wondering if I have any chance at hearing good news tomorrow. I have a 3.97 UW GPA, took 11 APs, have a 1490 SAT, 4 years ultimate Frisbee, 2 years orchestra, Boys State (Washington State), VP of Interact club, volunteered at a fish hatchery for 4 years (wrote my essay on that), and had an internship at a local Audubon center one summer. I know its not much but any predictions would be appreciated! Thanks!