<p>will be a sophomore (junior by credits (70)) this upcoming fall. I am currently enrolled in the college of engineering and plan to do IOE. I plan to apply this fall for the Engineering Global Leadership program which is a 5 year MSE / BSE degree program. However, I really wish I would have applied to Ross. I decided before winter term that I was not going to apply. I had to decide then because if I wanted to apply I needed to take a writing class second semester. At the time I decided that I was going to stick with engineering and not go for a BBA. That was a bad choice, I am killing myself over not applying to Ross now. I feel that I would have had a very strong chance of getting in. I finished the year with a 3.96 taking 18 credits a semester of engineering classes. I got involved in tons of clubs and even have leadership roles in a few of them. I just can't see myself taking primarily engineering classes for the next 4 years. My question is would it be worth it to apply to Ross as a sophomore and then do the 3 year BBA program? That would mean I would be an undergraduate for 5 years and just to get a BBA. I do not know what to do with myself; I really do not want to continue for 4 more years as an engineer.</p>
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<p>Really? You took 36 credits of engineering classes as a freshman? Which classes did you take? I don't mean to be offensive, but I don't believe you. I've met plenty of people who were extremely far into the curriculum when they started school. No one has take 36 credits of engineering classes in a year. </p>
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<p>You have the credits to finish early, so you could make it just 2 more years of engineering if you so desire, and come back later to get an MBA.</p>
<p>Well to clarify I only took 18 credits second semester. First semester I was advised to take an easy load to "adjust" to college. In the fall I took Chem 130(A+) chem125/126(A+) Engin100(A) Math214(A) and UROP(joke). In the winter I took Physics240(A-), Physics 241(A+) Econ101(A+) Engin101(A) Materials Science 220(A+) and UROP. The problem is for EGL I don't have the credits to finish early, maybe I could maybe do the program in 4.5 years, but there are lots of requirements that I would need to fulfill. If I took this route, I would definitely plan on getting an MBA down the road. I just don't know if I want to study and work as an engineer until then.</p>
<p>Wait, do you plan on doing something in engineering for your career? Or rather, what exactly are your career plans?</p>
<p>Sophomore year engineering courses designed to give you a broad understanding of engineering are a *****. However, once you make it through your sophomore year, it's all downhill from there. </p>
<p>Many junior and senior level IOE courses are similar to business school courses - only more operations oriented. </p>
<p>You can always take some business courses such as accounting, finance, and marketing to supplement an IOE degree. </p>
<p>An IOE degree will get you into a lot of jobs that a BBA will - especially if you take some of your electives at Ross.</p>
<p>In the long run, you will be better off with an IOE/MBA that a BBA/MBA.</p>
<p>I think that I would like to work in finance or banking. I am also interested in supply chain type of things, is this similar to operation? I am most interested in finance though as that is where my interests primarily are. I do plan on taking business school courses, but as opposed to taking a schedule of them each semester I will only be taking 12 total credits throughout the next 3.5-4 years. Why exactley would an IOE/MBA be better? What type of business-type jobs could I expect to get with a MSE in IOE?</p>
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Well to clarify I only took 18 credits second semester. First semester I was advised to take an easy load to "adjust" to college. In the fall I took Chem 130(A+) chem125/126(A+) Engin100(A) Math214(A) and UROP(joke). In the winter I took Physics240(A-), Physics 241(A+) Econ101(A+) Engin101(A) Materials Science 220(A+) and UROP. The problem is for EGL I don't have the credits to finish early, maybe I could maybe do the program in 4.5 years, but there are lots of requirements that I would need to fulfill. If I took this route, I would definitely plan on getting an MBA down the road. I just don't know if I want to study and work as an engineer until then.
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<p>Right - when you said you took x hours of engineering courses, you were being somewhat misleading, but I get what you mean. You've only taken one actual engineering class, your MSE class. Getting an A+ in a 200 level engineering class is impressive though. Your gpa is excellent. Sorry I don't have any advice, I was just curious about what you said before.</p>
<p>you're better off in engineering, if you can maintain that 3.7+ gpa, and get into EGL, you're set. Even if you don't get into EGL, with a 3.5+ GPA, you can still get plenty of Finance and Consulting offers. I got offers with a 3.1, with not much experience in finance or consulting, granted it's not MBB, but I've seen people get offers from Accenture with 2.8 GPAs. After a certain threshold(I'd say 3.4 in engineering) it's mostly about how well you interview.</p>
<p>An IOE/MBA is better than a BBA/MBA because you will have a broader base of knowledge. MBA curriculums assume no prior knowledge of business school courses. The first year of MBA introductory courses are pretty much a repeat of BBA programs. The main difference is that the courses are taught at a much faster pace (2x).</p>
<p>Having a undergraduate degree in a discipline other than business makes you much more marketable and give you a more career options than a BBA/MBA because you have knowledge in two disciplines. An engineering undergrad and an MBA is generally considered to be the most valuable combination.</p>
<p>From the questions that you are asking, it sounds like you don't have a very good idea of the types of courses offered in the IOE dept nor what careers opportunities are open to IOE's. You should probably sit down with some IOE advisors and attend some AIIE seminars. You will be pleasantly surprised at the possibilities.</p>
<p>What does it take to get a job as an analyst at MBB firm out of college. Assuming I get into EGL what grade point, involvement, etc would I need to get an offer from MBB? How How hard is it to get an offer from an MBB? Also, what type of pay would one expect right out of college with a MSE / BSE in IOE? Thanks.</p>
<p>mbb's hard to get into from any school and michigan's no exception, though it does tend to place pretty well. i dont have the numbers for bain and bcg, but last year mckinsey took 18 people from michigan for full time employment, 4 of whom were ioe.</p>
<p>employment statistics + salary info for egl program:
Michigan</a> Engineering | Careers | Placement Statistics</p>
<p>Seeing my situation, does anyone have any reccomendations about what to do next summer? It will be the end of my sophmore year, I plan on either studying abroad in Shanghai through the COE program(which is 2 months of study and 2 months of internship) or trying to get an internship. The reason for wanting to study abroad is because I will have just completed my 4th semester of Chinese language. However, I feel that I should get an internship that summer to start getting experience so that getting an internship after my junior year will be easier. Any Advice? </p>
<p>Also, how easy / hard would it be to get an internship at MBB after my junior year?</p>
<p>apply for both study abroad and internships. if you get a sweet internship then it might be better to study abroad at a diff time, if not then you have something to fall back on. either way, most people in EGL study abroad so you should make room for it either over the summer or during the school year if possible. keep in mind that work experience isn't as important for getting a job in consulting as it is in banking.</p>
<p>as for getting an internship at MBB, it's very tough. MBB have small summer class sizes and do most of their hiring through full time recruiting.</p>
<p>also, a lot of EGL kids who are interested in consulting enroll in the tauber institute for their 4th/5th year. you get leadership training, take a couple classes, and you do an internal consulting project for a major company as an internship between your 4th/5th year. check it out, Tauber</a> Institute for Global Operations</p>
<p>My plan was to apply to both. I also believe that Tauber is required for EGL students know, so I also planned on doing that. </p>
<p>What type of GPA would one need to potentially get a job for a MBB? and what type of internships would look good when applying for a job at MBB?</p>