<p>There's a program for engineering students at UMich to apply to Ross and get a Dual Degree. For anyone who's in it or knows someone who's in it, is it manageable/worth it?</p>
<p>Michigan</a> Engineering | Undergraduate Degree Options
^link to the page detailing the program.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure you’ll be there an extra semester or two, and you are expected to take courses over the summer. If you look around on the business website you’ll find a sample schedule of a dual engr/bba degree. </p>
<p>I looked into this for a while too and decided against it.</p>
<p>I’m a freshman planning on pursuing a dual degree between business and engineering. I’m in an organization on campus called “Society of Business Engineers” which consists of many dual degree business/engineering students. From what I’ve heard from upperclassmen members, the dual degree is extremely difficult and requires a lot of independent work because Ross and the College of Engineering do not collaborate very much. I have also heard that the dual degree is most beneficial for students pursuing an entrepreneurial career because it exposes them to the various skills necessary to run a startup. Whether or not it’s worth it seems to depend on the person and their individual career goals. Personally, I don’t plan on becoming an entrepreneur, but I find value in the recruiting available through Ross and the hard skills taught through engineering. If you have any more specific questions, let me know and I’ll try to provide answers.</p>
<p>Woody, why’d you decide against this? Are you doing engineering or business right now? Also, do you think it’d take a significant hit on my GPA if I did it, or would the course schedule be manageable?</p>
<p>Well I decided not to do this for a few reasons. One, as stated above, I don’t plan on being an entreprenuer. Also, even though I would like a job that involves business and engineering, a BBA is expected when looking for a job. Also, some companies can just have you get an MBA, and in that case you’ll just have a lot of overlap of your BBA. Also, even with all the AP credit I had coming in, there was not a lot of overlap between Ross and COE, and looking at the sample course schedule I’d be there longer than I’d like. </p>
<p>oh, I’m in engineering right now.</p>
<p>Whether you take a significant hit or not would depend on how well you can manage your time and how much extra stuff you plan to do in college.</p>
<p>nubswitstubs, I still have a couple of questions:
-I plan on pursuing biomedical engineering which is five years so if I did the dual degree with finance at Ross, would it still take only 5 years or would I need to do 6 years? Also, especially since I plan on doing at least one semester of study abroad and summer internships, would I be able to manage?
-I initially wanted to work on Wall Street, but now I’m aiming more at doing management work at biotech/pharma companies so would the BBA in Finance be enough or should I still do a dual degree with biomed engineering? Would doing a minor in biomed engineering be better?
-How much leeway is there to take some courses that you just feel like taking because they’re interesting (i.e. philosophy or creative writing or such)? Can you take those courses or is your schedule too packed for them?
-What is the avg. GPA of the dual degree students?
-Where do most of those students end up working?</p>
<p>Thanks for all the help guys.</p>
<p>Like I said their are sample course schedules online for just engineering and on the business site for wanting a dual engr and bba degree. Look at those to give yourself an idea. </p>
<p>Also I do not think you can minor in an engineering. The closest thing I’ve seen is minoring in electrical engineering when you already are taking another kind of engineering.</p>
<p>Guruofgreatness, </p>
<p>Are you planning on getting a M.S.E in biomed engr as well? A B.S.E in biomed engr shouldn’t take 5 years. </p>
<p>The length of a dual degree really depends on how much work you can handle and what you pursue during summer breaks. Depending on how many AP/IB credits you come in with, you may be able to pursue one or two summer internships and one summer of study abroad in 5 years, but I wouldn’t expect any more. I would strongly encourage you to consider just focusing on one degree if you are considering biomed engr and a bba. To date, there have been no dual degree students graduate with a b.s.e in biomed with a bba. I actually know the first student who will graduate this year, though, with both degrees. Having spoken with him about his dual degree, he regrets his choice and wishes he had focused all his energy on one degree.</p>
<p>MLDWoody is correct about umich not having a minor for biomed engr. Here is the template that he keeps referring to: </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/Academics/SpecialPrograms/DualDegrees/BBADualEnginTemplateforF07orLaterAdmits.xls[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/Academics/SpecialPrograms/DualDegrees/BBADualEnginTemplateforF07orLaterAdmits.xls</a> </p>
<p>If you really want to end up in management, I suggest studying some type of engr or science, working for a few years, and then getting an MBA. </p>
<p>There is virtually no leeway for taking unnecessary courses. Your schedule will most likely be maxed out with required business/engr courses. Keep in mind, though, that the Ross degree comprises a few distribution requirements which are usually fulfilled through LSA classes. </p>
<p>In terms of the average GPA for dual degree students, I don’t think that statistic is publicly available. The organization I’m in has asked Ross to provide that figure because they’re the ones that actually keep track of all dual degree bba/engr students, but they refuse to release it. From what I’ve seen, though, it’s definitely not appealing. For the sake of having a reference, the dual degree biomed/bba student that I know has around a 2.9-3.0.</p>
<p>Truthfully, there haven’t been many students graduate with a bba/b.s.e from umich. People have only begun pursuing dual degrees in those two programs more aggressively in the past few years. For that reason, I don’t see it appropriate to classify where most students end up career-wise. However, I can tell you that a lot of them are entrepreneurs, and a significant portion of the ones who aren’t study ioe/bba to break into finance.</p>
<p>Nubswitstubs, I’m there too. I’ve probably met you.</p>
<p>The biggest endorsement against doing this dual degree is the fact that the president of “Society of Business Engineers,” someone who is a dual degree and started a club aimed at dual degrees, said it was a bad idea. </p>
<p>His argument was that business leaders are experts in one thing, and not generalists. If you maintain high GPAs in both it’s impressive, but otherwise it just looks like you’re not very good at anything.</p>
<p>Is IOE/BBA easier than ChemE/BBA or BME/BBA? Sorry I don’t want to hijack this thread but I am looking into getting a dual degree as well (if admitted to UMich).</p>
<p>From what I’ve heard, yes IOE/BBA is easier than [ChemE or BME] + BBA</p>
<p>Sorry to sort of hijack this thread as well, but is an intro writing course (125) required for first year CoE kids, or is it just Engin. 100; wasn’t sure if you needed to take 125 in place of or at the same time as 100 to apply to Ross.</p>
<p>Engr 100 will not count for your writing requirement for Ross. You will have to take something like english 125</p>
<p>Maaaaan, that’s annoying. Was really happy when I heard that 100 was the only writing-ish type of course CoE kids needed to take; 125 will be annoying just b/c I’m not sure if I want to do Ross.</p>
<p>dont do it. It’s pointless</p>
<p>I agree with bearcats. I know a smart kid who did it a few years ago for the right reason… business because his family wanted him to; engineering for his own interest and to prove that he could do it (that was before Michigan had the formal dual-degree). He is working on Wall Street now… his engineering degree is purely for interest. That’s the only valid reason I know for the BBA-Engineering dual degree.</p>
<p>GoBlue - I want to do business but my family wants me to pursue engineering or medicine because they feel those are better and safer fields. I like business more, but I also want to work more with biotech companies. Part of the reason I want to do the dual degree is simply to learn more, but also because I think that it would allow me to have more knowledge about both fields which I could use to my advantage in finding a job or in delving possibly into the financial aspect of biotech companies or doing management work for them or working for Ibanks with a concentration in biotechnology. </p>
<p>Would you guys recommend now doing this dual degree or doing chemical engineering with a finance minor? I do plan on getting an MBA later on, but I also plan on pursuing a graduate degree in genetic engineering. I naturally like finance and business more than engineering, but I still find engineering interesting. Could I still manage to keep a social life, do internships, and study abroad even with this dual degree?</p>
<p>Sorry for all of these questions, I’m completely unsure of how things will work out for me in college and once I graduate.</p>
<p>Also goblue, what was your friend’s GPA?</p>
<p>Not sure. He was one of the smartest kids in his class and graduated with one of those things around his neck.</p>
<p>I worked for a top Oil & Gas consulting firm in Houston and a Fortune 100 IT company in Asia Pac. None of my bosses had an undergraduate business degree. Most had a technical background though some went back for MBA/eMBA. If you are management material, you can rise through the management track quickly. If your goal is to eventually manage a biotech firm, you are better off getting a master degree in engineering rather than a dual degree.</p>
<p>Majoring in Finance, but if I could go back in time and restart college I think that I would dual major in finance and computer science. I know nearly nothing about computer programming, but it is definitely interesting to me. With a background like this, you would have access to the world of quantitative finance, just something to keep in mind.</p>