<p>Michigan and Northwestern are excellent schools, but OP needs excellent financial aid and (assuming OP is OOS) these will likely not be affordable. </p>
<p>@d33d33 duke wont give any money… one sibling in college and 150K~ income</p>
<p>That may not be true. And $150K with another kid in college is a sweet spot that may generate some aid from the better endowed schools. Try running the calculator with your numbers - they seem to be coming up with some surprising results lately. With endowments getting healthier, some of the schools seem to be getting more generous. Assume nothing.</p>
<p>OP, you’ve got the kind of stats and ECs that the most elite schools are craving. </p>
<p>There may or may not be any need-based aid for families with your income at a particular ivy or near-ivy, but check around. You might be surprised. I think I read Yale was giving money to families upto 200K. The ivies ain’t all that for engineering anyway (except Cornell). </p>
<p>More commonly you will find full tuition and full ride scholarships at many schools that are not ivies but that offer merit.</p>
<p>Here’s a list of automatic full tuition/ride scholarships and a list of competitive ones:</p>
<p><a href=“Competitive Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships - Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums”>Competitive Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships - Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums;
<p><a href=“Automatic Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships - Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums”>Automatic Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships - Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums;
<p>@MrMom62 that’s very true! I should still run the NPC calculators and see the costs for duke. and interestingly, @jkeil911 besides the fact that I love the kind of high-end liberal arts educational environment Ivys provide, many of them have excellent financial aid - another reason why they’re so appealing! </p>
<p>*PS, if you want to look at my stats/resume, go to my activity and the links show in that part of the site!</p>
<p>OP, the ivies offer fantastic aid but less to families who make $150K. UPenn will still cost you 25K plus work and loans. I’m not sure what you had planned on spending, but… </p>
<p>Northwestern actually has a degree in Engineering and Music. They claim to meet need with you borrowing about $5000/yr. it’s not in the east but but being a suburb of Chicago feels more metropolitan than others of its ilk. They are a CSS profile school so if your parents are self employed it can get difficult to get an accurate assessment from the NPC.</p>
<p>With $150,000 in income, I agree with jkeil911. You might be better off chasing merit aid than financial aid, though yes, the Ivies might give some. I can’t help but think you might get more merit aid than financial aid, though, even if you look at Ivy financial aid. </p>
<p>Have you seen the thread on LAC with engineering? Some of those may give merit aid to you. Sadly, the <em>guaranteed</em> merit awards are not on the east coast, as far as I can tell. Alabama gives guaranteed merit aid and has a brand new engineering facility, but I imagine that’s not in your geographic range.</p>
<p>Penn is loan-free - if you qualify for FA, you get only grants for that amount. Period. That should be a major consideration when looking at schools. UMCP would be more expensive than Penn for my son because they would only give loans no grants, and Penn would give grants for the amount over the EFC.</p>
<p>–Penn is loan-free–</p>
<p>Interesting. That wasn’t my experience when I ran the npc. Dang, maybe D should have applied there :(( Penn better change their logarithm. </p>
<p>Maybe they were at one time. <a href=“Submit My Documents | Penn Student Registration & Financial Services| Penn Srfs”>http://www.sfs.upenn.edu/loans/</a></p>