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<p><a href=“Businessweek - Bloomberg”>http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-29/why-most-students-of-for-profit-corinthian-college-wont-get-student-loan-forgiveness</a></p>
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<p>More information on Corinthian: <a href=“http://www.edcentral.org/corinthian-sell-heald/[/url]”>http://www.edcentral.org/corinthian-sell-heald/</a>. The statistics are horrifying. The debt cannot be discharged. Employers are not falling over themselves to hire graduates of these online schools. Caveat emptor applies, especially when a college has no physical presence.</p>
<p>Most surgery requires extensive follow-up care by the doctor. How are they going to do that and be outcome responsible? Also robo surgery is not all it is cracked up to be. Much of it is pushed by the robo sellers–try pricing one. BIG money being made.For most surgery it is not needed and often slower. . </p>
<p>And who wants to be the 9,873 company on the net selling wine? What’s your hook? </p>
<p>Sax, I am very impressed with you and your posts!</p>
<p>hahaha Barrons…lighten up. Wine is fun! All I need is a great label and I can sell any wine. My kid has a great wine logo series. I cant link it because its under her .com site. </p>
<p>and would it not be awesome to have a world class surgeon at least virtually in the room in a difficult operation. The fact that it is possible is great.</p>
<p>All these online education tools will sift themselves out and the best ones will take hold. Its in its infancy. </p>
<p>dstark thanks. I could link all day…but I wont.</p>
<p>My wife’s picture is on wine labels. The caption is WSWB.</p>
<p>Wines S Wont Buy. </p>
<p>My wife won’t spend more than $20 a bottle, but a friend will so the friend had these labels made up and put them on expensive wines.</p>
<p>So if you see an expensive wine in a wine store with a photo of a blonde sitting wearing sunglasses enjoying herself and the caption WSWB,</p>
<p>That is my wife. :)</p>
<p>It seems to me obvious that online capabilities can be a fantastic tool in education. It would take a lot to convince me that it can be a fully adequate replacement for a traditional model.</p>
<p>Earlier, someone used this message board as an example. And this message board is great. What it isn’t is a replacement for real friends. While I feel like I know things about certain posters, and can at times get emotionally invested in their problems and stories, there is no one I am as “close” to as even a casual friend in the real world. Online platforms haven’t replaced the need for real education, just as TV doesn’t stop people from going to Yankee games and youtube, while it might keep people from buying CDs, hasn’t spelled doom for the concert.</p>
<p>That isn’t to say that some people don’t develop close friendships in certain online settings. Some people become brilliant scholars largely through self-study, and some people will use online courses to their full advantage and receive many of the benefits of bricks and mortar education. But there have been public libraries, lecture series on tape and video, and online resources for a long time, and somehow we don’t live in a nation of autodidacts.</p>
<p>The difference here is that it was never possible to get a degree through independently reading a lot of books, and it is possible to get it through online education. As far as some more competency based professional programs are concerned, maybe certain types of online programs are good enough. But for undergrad degrees, I think what you’re going to get is more stratification.</p>
<p>If the online courses and colleges are well-designed and ethically run - which they don’t all seem to be by a long shot, as it currently stands - the effects might be a net positive. By decreasing the access barrier to education, more people will be able to get a degree for cheaper. I also think, as much as I’m a big “life of the mind” type, that there’s something arrogant about assuming that that is what everyone needs or wants. For plenty of students, college is simply a hoop they need to jump through because credential-creep means that it is the only path to lots of careers that once wouldn’t have required a degree at all, and I’m not going to insist it is a tragedy that they can now do receive an adequate if not quite as inspiring or illuminating education for a fraction of the cost Of course, the converse of this is that there are going to be some lower income students who do really want the traditional liberal arts experience who aren’t going to be able to justify the cost now that there’s a cheaper path to a degree, and that’s a shame.</p>
<p>What I don’ think is going to happen any time soon is the death of the Ivies. We’re going to see some more marginal four year schools disappear, something that might scare other colleges enough to start thinking more seriously about ways to bring down costs (and get state legislatures to start funding their own state schools again). But as it is, loads and loads of people already flock to the Ivies and even much less prestigious private schools in spite of the presence of lower cost alternatives. The existence of CCs hasn’t stopped people from seeking out the full four year experience, and online education isn’t going to stop people who have the money – and sometimes, even people who don’t – from continuing to do the same. And as long as that is still happening, a lot of the professions, and a lot of employers, are still going to be able to hire manly from a pool of students in traditional degree programs. </p>
<p>I still don’t understand why the idea of hybrid models is so hard for some people to wrap their mind around . . . .</p>
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<p><a href=“https://secure.csumentor.edu/finaid/pais/”>Cal State Apply | CSU; indicates that a student from a poor family ($20,000 per year income) living with parents and attending CSULB will see grant aid of $12,590 off a commuter list price of $15,378 (of which $6,240 is tuition and $1,788 is books and supplies, with the remainder being estimated living at home ($4,518), commuting, and misc costs ($2,832)) for a net price of $2,788 (lower than the subsidized direct loan amount, and within a typical expectation of student work earnings).</p>
<p>I think we can all agree Georgi Tech is a top university especially in computer science.</p>
<p>They are now offering an online masters for $7000.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.news.gatech.edu/2013/05/14/georgia-tech-announces-massive-online-masters-degree-computer-science”>http://www.news.gatech.edu/2013/05/14/georgia-tech-announces-massive-online-masters-degree-computer-science</a></p>
<p>And here is an article asking the question " will it make the grade"
<a href=“Will Georgia Tech's $7K online M.S. in computer science program make the grade?”>Will Georgia Tech's $7K online M.S. in computer science program make the grade?;
<p>Currently Georgia Tech has an online masters that has a small number of students who full pay and end with a degree indistinguishable from the kid sitting in class. Admissions criteria are the same as masters students in class. Student and faculty discuss by email and tests are taken at off site approved proctors.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.dlpe.gatech.edu/dl/degrees/”>http://www.dlpe.gatech.edu/dl/degrees/</a></p>
<p>Fortune 500 companies are paying their employees tuition at some if not all of these programs. </p>
<p>The programs are respected and employees encouraged to continue their education so as to remain competitive.</p>
<p>The business world believes online education is valuable.</p>
<p>Ga Tech has been offering online masters since at least 2008 or earlier. GE uses it for their Edison project employees. That doesnt minimize the number of students that attend on campus graduate programs. They BOTH exist, not one instead of the other.</p>
<p>No one said it minimizes the number of students on campus. No one stated one exists but not the other. Obviously their programs are in demand.</p>
<p>The massive on line $7000 program (much cheaper) just started. It will be interesting to see the saturation point.</p>
<p>They are interesting articles to read.</p>
<p>Chill. I wasn’t challenging the online program. I was supporting it. The Edison employees were sent to different locations every 6 mos for a while (might be every year now, for 3 years) , so needed a flexible grad program. Am just reiterating what others have said that I dont think the brick and mortar schools will disappear (well, some might), but that there will be more options of good, respectable programs.
I do hope some of the the for profit online schools with terrible reputations and outcomes will disappear.</p>
<p><a href=“Georgia Tech Launches World's First Massive Online Degree Program | News Center”>http://www.news.gatech.edu/2014/01/15/georgia-tech-launches-worlds-first-massive-online-degree-program</a></p>
<p>Georgia Tech states this is the worlds first totally on line degree program by an accredited university. That statement surprises me. It started this January. They are starting slowly.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how this goes when it ramps up. It will be interesting to see what happens with their competeing on campus programs and their other on line programs that are full pay.</p>
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<p>Wow. Just discovered the vast # of distance learning degrees available through the GA University system. Ga Tech has several. Did not know there were so many possibilities at the undergrad and grad level:
<a href=“Academic Programs | Degrees available via distance learning technologies | University System of Georgia”>http://www.usg.edu/academic_programs/external/degrees_available_via_distance_learning_technologies</a></p>
<p>I think most states now have vast distance learning options, which include low time on campus. I think, too, the distance executive MBA model has become very standard, as well.</p>
<p>I have 2 friends who both got their Aud.D.s, one from from the U of F and one from what is now Salus U, via distance learning and limited time on campus.</p>
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<p>How would the following model work in the United States:</p>
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<li><p>Four days high schools with 8 hours each of on premises instructions, including ALL homework and study. Forty hours of presence for every teacher and NO work at home. One day of work – unpaid or paid with proceeds defraying the cost of the education. The school operate all year long on a quarter basis. 10 weeks on and 3 weeks off. Plenty of vacation days! 160 days of school only and 40 days of work per year. </p></li>
<li><p>Two years of college with 15 hours of instruction over 3 days and two days of “internships” (paid or unpaid) at local companies</p></li>
<li><p>Two years of 1 day on campus with real teachers (no TAs and other glorifiedn indentured servants) 20 hours of online instruction and 2 to 4 days at a real job. All in all, never exceeding 50 hours of work and study per week. Young people should get used to such demands and abandon the idea that college is a 20 hours a week affair with the rest being full entertainment. </p></li>
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<p>The cost of HS would stay the same or be reduced. Everybody wins with a 4 days week of 10 hours. Ten weeks on and three weeks off per quarter. Teachers clocking in at 1600 hours per year representing a massive increase in on premises duties but if you believe their tales, a massive reduction of activities. </p>
<p>Colleges could reduce the cost of the education by 25 to 75 percent as the full time education would be halved for most students. A clear separation of research and education would yield additional savings. The researchers should not complain … if you believe that they actually represent a positive contribution to the bottom line. Not having to subsidize the UG education might please. Again, if you believe that tale! </p>
<p>After two years, every student should be able to be self supporting his or her education and prepare for the next steps in life with the 1-3 experience that is now needed for about every job that pays a decent salary. </p>