<p>*Read through the thread. Some state schools like the ones in Texas have an in state student population of over 90%. *</p>
<p>that may be true, but they may still reject 75% or more of their instate applicants.</p>
<p>I think many UC SOMs are like this. they largely only accept instate, but they only accept a small % of their instate applicants…because the state is literally crawling with pre-meds…lol</p>
<p>We [mizzou] interview about half of the instate applicants and then accept slightly less than half of those, for an acceptance rate that hovers around 25%</p>
<p>I’m hoping that UAB and USA do this…if so, I think son has a good chance. fingers crossed.</p>
<p>Idk if I asked this but I’m taking the MCAT during the summer of 2014. There’s no essay on that MCAT correct? It’s just verbal, biological, and physical sciences ?</p>
<p>Correct me if I am interpreting this chart incorrectly, but according to this graph, the U.T. System Medical Schools, Texas A&M College of Medicine, Texas Tech School of Medicine, TTUHSC Paul L. Foster SOM and UNT-Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine ** matriculate 42.55% of their in-state applicants.** I’m not sure what percentage of those accepted matriculate, but the percent accepted would obviously be at least as high, if not higher, than the matriculation percentage. Obviously the data may be skewed by the osteopathic school, but I doubt the effect is that great. </p>
<p>Average MCAT scores of matriculated students in Texas medical schools are sub-30.</p>
<p>So if you really want to go to med school, and want a really good shot at getting in, move to Texas and gain residency. In state tuition is a bargain too.</p>
<p>1, including an osteopathic school is not “fair” for the discussion on MD acceptance which is I’m sure what everyone else is talking about</p>
<p>2, the waitlist is used much, much, much more in MD admissions than undergrad, so the initial acceptance rate does not need to be higher than the matriculation rate.</p>
<p>3, 43% is way less than 90+%</p>
<p>4, Texas is not California or NY or other states with more competitive and/or smaller systems.</p>
<p>Looking at the data, and correct me if I am wrong, there was only one osteopathic school’s data in the information collected. Everything else was allopathic. If you want, you can subtract the osteopathic school’s information from the data and figure out the acceptance rate. I bet it hovers around 40%. </p>
<p>I was responding to a post implying that they may only accept 25% of applicants, not a post providing that they accept 90% of applicants. A 43% in-state acceptance rate is much higher than most competitive undergrads’ and grad programs’ rates. With lackluster average matriculated MCATs, decent applicants have a good shot in-state.</p>
<p>Nobody said Texas has a competitive system. California and Texas are two extremes, but if premeds are really set on being a doctor for cheap in state tuition, move to Texas to gain residency while working for a couple of years post-college. It’s a good idea since it would give premeds a taste of the real world before going back to school and provide a great shot at getting into med school.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if the admissions rate among students who apply to all 8 ivies is much higher than the rate of acceptance at any one school. That’s what the Texas data is. It says nothing about a student’s chances at one school. It says that 40% of applicants to all texas schools end up somewhere within texas.</p>
<p>An “average” MCAT for a medical student is the 85th percentile of test takers. It’s hardly average. This is already after the self selection that occurs for medicine - much more rigorous than college self selection</p>
<p>Nobody said Texas was a state that admitted only 25% of it’s students so using Texas as your counter point doesn’t say anything.</p>
<p>I agree that being a texas resident makes things easier…the problem is that you have to be a texas resident…</p>
<p>A 29 or 30 on the MCAT is between a 68 and 79 percentile on the exam according to the AAMC. A 28 is around the 62th. We were talking about the average MCAT score for Texas in-staters so not sure why you brought up the 85th percentile. While the scores are not strictly speaking “average” it doesn’t mean getting a 68th percentile on a standardized test, even if it’s a graduate school admissions exam, is something to be extremely happy about.</p>
<p>Sorry brian, you are right, the 85th percentile is a 31 which is the average MCAT score for matriculants at ALL medical schools, not just the texas ones.</p>
<p>I agree with all your points in this thread to be honest. I personally don’t think of the texas schools (other than UTSW) as being particularly great med schools (I know, I know, there’s no such thing as a bad med school but, come on, there are great and not so great ones). I argue mainly because I feel that you’re going to somehow tie this back to an earlier thread of yours where you tried to claim that medicine is easier to get into than banking or other graduate fields - a claim that is false - they are all difficult fields.</p>
<p>My point though is that even with a state like Texas, being a resident isn’t a very sensitive predictor for getting in - at least when compared to how specific of a predictor it is since non residents are basically guaranteed a rejection.</p>
<p>My understanding of the state bias is that the goal is to try and recruit students to become physicians who stay in state. Even if a medical school wouldn’t know when you became a resident, they see where you went to high school and I wonder if someone who didn’t go to high school in Texas (i.e. someone who didn’t grow up there) would be on par with someone who did.</p>
<p>Med schools in Texas aren’t “choosing” anything. The IS percentage is set by the legislature. Baylor receives big state funding and by agreement (mostly) follows suit. </p>
<p>Baylor and UTSW are among the best schools in the country. But the next tier of Texas schools are no slouches, either. </p>
<p>Becoming a Texas resident is not as easy as some believe. In fact, changing state residence after finishing high school is not that easy in most states. There are exceptions.</p>
<p>Yup. “Follow the money.” Within a few percentage points. </p>
<p>Little known fact. If you are a good/great OOS candidate in Texas, and get a $1000 scholarship you are considered IS for tuition…sweet. Don’t know if it is all schools but I know it is some if not all.</p>
<p>If so, that’s a change over the last few years. Quick google on my phone shows more like 80 of the md onlys. (Data not from BCM. ) My admittedly failing memory says 85% back in 2010, but again. I am old.</p>