Extraordinary students not aspiring for top schools?

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When you were a freshman, you went to a school that was less prestigious than A&M. A&M probably didnt even accept you with your pathetic 590.

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<p>Ahh yes, but that assumes that you...</p>

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I could do like you and transfer to a more "prestigious" school later, but unlike you,

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<p>which you can't, since, well, a 3.4 is not going to get you anywhere near the top 25.</p>

<p>Sorry buddy, you're just too stupid:)</p>

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you went to a school that was less prestigious than A&M.

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<p>On a half tuition scholarship. It seemed like a sound financial choice at the time.</p>

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A&M probably didnt even accept you with your pathetic 590.

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<p>Never applied. I got into a better school: UTexas.</p>

<p>Ouch.</p>

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recipients of generational affluence by and large still think atm's just print money.

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<p>REMEMBER EVERYONE: Vyse has met most "recipients of generational affluence." Thus, he is qualified to make the above claim.</p>

<p>(In reality, he probably met two or three people who think that way, and generalized illicitly to support his peaceful bubble.)</p>

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<p>That's pretty deceptive. Here's how Utexas's admission works:</p>

<p>-Are you in the top 10%?</p>

<p>Most Utexas students are smart anyway,but people like you that can only pull a 590 on SAT verbal have to rely on the top 10% rule as a crutch.</p>

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<p>I agree with them about taking the best of other schools and comparing them to the students at top schools because it's true. You really can't deny it.</p>

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That's pretty deceptive. Here's how Utexas's admission works:</p>

<p>-Are you in the top 10%?

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<p>...okay, the same applies to A&M.</p>

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but people like you that can only pull a 590 on SAT verbal have to rely on the top 10% rule as a crutch.

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<p>Okay, so I did.</p>

<p>And then I scored an 800 on the verbal, and then I earned a GPA far higher than your did during your first semester, and then I transferred to a school far better than yours, which you cannot do because your 3.4 won't get you into a top 25. Should I go further?</p>

<p>This debate has become stupid. It has nothing to do with the thread, and frankly, your stupidity is exasperating. Given that Vyse has nothing better to argue, I'll just assume that I beat him.</p>

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<p>You got a 3.4 at what Im assuming was probably a junior college. I got a 3.4 at a top state university studying business.</p>

<p>I'd be sure and give you a call next time Goldman sachs comes to campus. I'll tell them I've got an internet acquaintance that knows how to deceptively shew data to meet his own ends.</p>

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You got a 3.4 at what Im assuming was probably a junior college.

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<p>Actually, no, my first year GPA was a 3.92 at a four-year university.</p>

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I got a 3.4 at a top state university studying business.

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<p>Okay, so my GPA was better than yours is now. But since we are now comparing GPAs, let us look at my Georgetown GPA (Why not? The courses only got harder. Presumably, my graduate courses are going to be much more difficult than your first-year courses, so you should have a higher GPA): 3.8 (approximately). That is a GPA higher than yours at a university that is much better than yours.</p>

<p>I rest my case.</p>

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I'll tell them I've got an internet acquaintance that knows how to deceptively shew data to meet his own ends.

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<p>I think your post proves how much of an idiot you are. Hahahaha.</p>

<p>Oh, and Texas A&M is not a top state university: There is Cal, UCLA, Mich, UVA, UMCP, to name a few.</p>

<p>I'm done here. Vyse, your posts have become more stupid over time, and yout false accusations and pitiful remarks have no bearing on the thread's topic. Because of the desperateness of your remarks, I am forced to assume that I have either exacerbated an insecurity, or that you're bitter after my defeating you already. There is no purpose in my posting in this thread anymore.</p>

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I'll tell them I've got an internet acquaintance that knows how to

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<p>You go ahead and do that, buddy:)</p>

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<p>Will both of you stop this bickering? I think this thread proves you are both absolute morons--just the fact that you would carry it to these lengths. All the SAT scores, grade point averages, and IQ results in the world would not convince me (and I imagine most other people reading this thread) otherwise.</p>

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<p>Im on the 2nd most lucrative career track at a major state university. You started out at a podunk no name school studying something non lucrative, and didnt achieve your goals for transferring to Rice. Your time in college has been a failure, and something I'm not looking to imitate at all.</p>

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Remind me again which Ivy not named Wharton provides a better business education.

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<p>Cornell Applied Economics and Management? Brown Commerce Program? Many of the students that end up going to the best schools and studying liberal arts do so because they intend to go onto professional or graduate school, where they will on average make far more than someone that only has a bachelor's degree in business.</p>

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<p>Obviously, but which do you think is better prep for an MBA, a BBA, or an undergrad degree in a completely unrelated field?</p>

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<p>Actually, it doesn't matter what I think. If you're talking about chances of acceptance, UT-McCombs for example (one of the best business schools in the nation) states on their website that the majority of students accepted into the MBA program did not pursue a BBA beforehand. </p>

<p>I had an outset similar to yours when I was initially looking at colleges: I HAD to go to business school for my undergraduate studies. However, as I studied the process more, it became apparent that the degree is not a very big deal if you are going on to graduate or professional school. Sure, an undergraduate business degree WILL be more immediately beneficial in the fact that you may have a better network from the beginning and you, with a pre-professional education, are fully prepared to enter the workforce as an accountant or financial analyst or whatever.</p>

<p>However, not having a business undergrad degree certainly isn't hurting liberal arts majors from top schools who are earning just as much, if not more, and who are getting into the best graduate business programs without a problem. </p>

<p>Harvard Business School, for example, included students from many liberal arts majors:</p>

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Undergraduate Majors
Humanities and Social Sciences 35%
Engineering and Natural Sciences 36%
Business Administration 24%
Other 5%
<a href="http://www.hbs.edu/mba/profiles/classprofile.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hbs.edu/mba/profiles/classprofile.html&lt;/a>

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<p>Also, many of the concepts taught in MBA programs do not require any particular business background - obviously if they did, 75% of admitted students wouldn't be from non-business majors. The main prereq that students find they need is actual work experience.</p>

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<p>I don't think I'd feel comfortable majoring in something unrelated first (I'm switching to business/finance in two days). Even if I planned on going to grad school, I'd want a business degree just in case I changed my mind about that extra year and a half (or more) of school. </p>

<p>Actually, that's a huge reason behind why I'm changing majors. I'm in biomedical engineering now but wanted to get an MBA...and then I realized that it's really not worth it to me to work that hard in engineering just to go into the business side of it.</p>

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<p>There is one girl at my school who is one of the vals and is in every club (very similiar to me) and is president of more than half of those, has a 29 ACT (not stellar, but decent) etc. and is only applying to MTSU (our state school) and no where else because she wants to start a family right away. I just don't get that... but it's whatever -- everyone is different. I just can't imagine working so hard of all high school when all the while just wanting to start a family right away because I was boy-crazy for some guy. It just goes to show that we're all different.</p>

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<p>Well, if you consider someone that attend a liberal arts college like Wesleyan University and majors in Economics, they are going to start out making approximately the same money as someone that went to, say, UT-McCombs and majored in Finance. The only arguable difference may be the network that the business student has, but even that is questionable. Someone from a top school will typically have an easier time getting their foot in the door, as has been shown by recruiting lists. </p>

<p>But I agree - I don't really see the rationale in majoring in something very difficult, like Engineering or Mathematics, when it will hurt your GPA and hinder your chances at a top business school. But you should also remember that even professional schools are building a class, much like undergraduate programs, and want diversity. I would presume that the most common major of people applying to MBA programs is, you guessed it, some form of business. This is merely speculation, but that could be a bad thing if you are just like everyone else.</p>

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<p>The climate is shifting though. People just finishing undergrad and applying to MBA programs are getting kicked to the curb in favor of applicants with prior work experience.</p>

<p>Plus there's the whole safety net thing. I may want to goto law school, I may not. I know though that if something happens, then the degree I have after 4 years is very marketable on its own merits.</p>

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<p>My two cousins both got perfect SAT scores (on the old scale), had outstanding GPA and EC's (they weren't ever really allowed to watch T.V.) turned down top top schools for a full-ride at University of Indiana-Bloomington. Their young sibling got a 1500 and he was considered the black sheep for getting that "low" of a score.</p>

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People just finishing undergrad and applying to MBA programs are getting kicked to the curb in favor of applicants with prior work experience.

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<p>But having work experience is not dependent on being a business major. Many liberal arts majors (Econ, Math, etc.) can get internships just as easily, if that's what you mean. And as for jobs after graduation, it's clear that students from HYP (where undergrad business degrees aren't offered) aren't having any problem at getting a great job.</p>

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Plus there's the whole safety net thing. I may want to goto law school, I may not. I know though that if something happens, then the degree I have after 4 years is very marketable on its own merits.

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<p>Perhaps. But many companies are apt to hire liberal arts majors who have little or no knowledge about how to actually WORK at that company. The employers realize that these students are capable of learning quickly and excelling, so they are willing to hire them and train them. Getting a liberal arts degree is not going to keep you from being hired; the only main exception that I am aware of is Accounting.</p>

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<p>What you're saying is true in some cases, but the stats speak to nthe fact that business majors on average have an easier time find ing jobs, and make more money.</p>

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<p>Again, I think that is dependent on the school. A liberal arts major from a top university (to use the same example, an Econ major from Wesleyan University) will have practically the same opportunities and earn similar money as a business major from a good school. Sure, someone from Wharton/Stern/Ross will have better business prospects and likely start out making more, but in most instances, a business degree is not the trump card. Graduating from Harvard as a history major is more impressive to employers than graduating from UIUC with a business degree - again, this is because of the prestige of the school.</p>