fake teacher recs - what should i do?

Applying to College
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<p>"Look up what the original topic of discussion is. You said that relativism cannot be proven. But it can be. The question is whether or not you accept the many arguments that support that idea."</p>

<p>How, exactly? How can it be proven? I really haven't seen this.</p>

<p>"Any time that you talk about there being a degree, an amount, an extent, etc. don't you have to relate it to something else?"</p>

<p>Yes. That doesn't equate to total relativism. Are you saying that everyone is either a total absolutist or a total relativist, in every way possible? If the answer is yes, you clearly know nothing about all the different systems of morality.</p>

<p>"Even in your post you suggest that all philosophies are merely degrees of one another one."</p>

<p>Yes, that is correct. This was completely consistent with what I said earlier, when I said there were shades of gray between the black and white extremes. "Relativism" is the general idea that disagrees with total absolutism. But it doesn't mean that everything is relative for everyone.</p>

<p>"You are the person who asserted that relativism cannot be proven. In fact, that assertion of yours is what took us off on this tangent."</p>

<p>Then return us to relevant discussion, please.</p>

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<p>wow this thing is going fast.... almost 10 pages in one day.</p>

<p>Okay baelor, lets see. </p>

<p>So your saying, because the person broke the agreement between him and yale, he deserves anything yale determines suitable?</p>

<p>Okay.</p>

<p>So lets say xbanks asks you to teach him the holy docturne of baelor, because as we all know, baelor is always right, and being the kind-hearted guy you are, you agree. However, you remembered later on that you also agreed to teach zzz. As they can't be thought together, and zzz asked first, you broke your promise to xbanks. In this case, xbanks can kill you, because you broke the agreement and he can do whatever he determines suitable, right?</p>

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Then return us to relevant discussion, please.

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<p>Done.......</p>

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<p>u§ername:</p>

<p>Give it up. Baelor just wants to bicker. He's not interested in a serious discussion. He asserts things and doesn't bother to back them up because he doesn't think he has to. When you pin him down, he's plays daft and changes the subject. He just thinks this is a competition and not an opportunity to exchange ideas in a meaningful. Honestly, I think it's quite annoying and rather immature. This kid has been trying to argue that intentions do not matter which is ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous is that many other kids on this forum agree with him. However, that's not too surprising considering the fact that many kids on here have a warped sense of reality. According to them cheating is comparable to rape and murder since they are all "bad." Lastly they are so immature and narcissistic, that they don't care how their actions will affect other people's lives. They think it's okay for the OP to ruin another kid's life out of spite simply because the kid did something "wrong." Have these kids ever heard the saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right?"</p>

<p><em>End of rant</em> :)</p>

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<p>"So your saying, because the person broke the agreement between him and yale, he deserves anything yale determines suitable?"</p>

<p>No. He deserves whatever Yale determines suitable that relates directly to Yale. Putting him on academic probation, rescinding his admission, etc. all pertain to Yale. Telling him to kill himself would not be something that Yale could justify.</p>

<p>"So lets say xbanks asks you to teach him the holy docturne of baelor, because as we all know, baelor is always right, and being the kind-hearted guy you are, you agree."</p>

<p>"Doctrine," yes? Where are you getting that I'm always right? I'm flattered, but I must tell you it's not true.</p>

<p>"In this case, xbanks can kill you, because you broke the agreement and he can do whatever he determines suitable, right?"</p>

<p>No. Nor was this ever my argument.</p>

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<p>"He asserts things and doesn't bother to back them up because he doesn't think he has to."</p>

<p>Hello kettle. I'm pot. ;) Ironically, this statement is not backed up. All I've done the last page is answer your asinine questions.</p>

<p>"When you pin him down, he's plays daft and changes the subject."</p>

<p>I'm sorry, do mirrors reflect your image? As soon as you find yourself cornered, you just scream that I'm bickering.</p>

<p>"He just thinks this is a competition and not an opportunity to exchange ideas in a meaningful."</p>

<p>It's not a competition at all. The exchange of ideas is incredibly important. I suggest offering some up, something that you haven't done in the last page. You have absolutely no evidence for this statement at all.</p>

<p>"Honestly, I think it's quite annoying and rather immature."</p>

<p>Then leave. And reflect on the level of your own maturity.</p>

<p>"This kid has been trying to argue that intentions do not matter which is ridiculous."</p>

<p>Evidence please? I guess I shouldn't expect much from you anyway. No matter. Intentions do matter. I said that. Maybe it was in a post you didn't read because you couldn't be bothered fostering an exchange of ideas. However, they shouldn't affect whether the OP should report the incident. It just makes the move sleazy, not wrong.</p>

<p>"However, that's not too surprising considering the fact that many kids on here have a warped sense of reality."</p>

<p>Yes, they do. Some agree with you. Quite shocking!</p>

<p>"According to them cheating is comparable to rape and murder since they are all "bad.""</p>

<p>No one ever said that. But I appreciate the fact that you publicly admitted you either didn't read the posts, misunderstood them, or purposefully misrepresented them.</p>

<p>"Lastly they are so immature and narcissistic, that they don't care how their actions will affect other people's lives."</p>

<p>You're right, cheaters ARE so immature and narcissistic that they don't care how their actions will affect other people's lives. I value all life. What I don't value is the right to misrepresent yours to people who don't know the truth.</p>

<p>"They think it's okay for the OP to ruin another kid's life out of spite simply because the kid did something "wrong." "</p>

<p>A total misrepresentation of the argument. This isn't simply a crusade for justice. "Oh no, he killed a flea, we must avenge its death and bring death to the murderer!" Haha. The image is funny, but not at all the situation here. His life won't even be ruined. And the OP isn't ruining it. The kid forfeited his right to Yale as soon as he broke the contract he made with it. That's what makes this situation different.</p>

<p>"Have these kids ever heard the saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right?""</p>

<p>Yes. It's convenient that reporting the incident isn't wrong. How about that?</p>

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<p>Baelor:</p>

<p>I am going to tell you something you won't want to hear:</p>

<p>You think way too highly of yourself. I know--according to your stat profile--that you got a perfect score on the SAT. But in case you didn't know that doesn't mean you're perfect and it doesn't mean you know everything.</p>

<p>You're giving advice to the OP even though you've probably never actually dealt with any situation comparable to this one. I mean you said, "His life won't even be ruined." Are you serious? You're just not in touch with reality.</p>

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<p>"You think way too highly of yourself."</p>

<p>I think that you love to share your thoughts, even when they're unnecessary and they're flat-out wrong. Please stop making assumptions about me, thank you. ;) I have no delusions about my glaring character flaws. </p>

<p>"know--according to your stat profile--that you got a perfect score on the SAT."</p>

<p>Good, so you know my SAT score. Have I made this an issue at all? Have I even mentioned it? No. Interesting.</p>

<p>"But in case you didn't know that doesn't mean you're perfect and it doesn't mean you know everything."</p>

<p>Oh, well it's good that I do know that already. You know, that I'm not perfect. I also don't know everything. One can always improve. That's what life is. I hope that I make the most of it.</p>

<p>"You're giving advice to the OP even though you've probably never actually dealt with any situation comparable to this one."</p>

<p>Good, good. At least you recognize that you're making assumptions. I can give advice all I want. That doesn't mean it's right, and that doesn't mean that the OP has to follow it at all.</p>

<p>"I mean you said, "His life won't even be ruined.""</p>

<p>Okay, so Yale finds out and he gets rescinded. Assuming that he doesn't get jailed, he can attend a community college. Many people transfer into very good schools after two years. In the event that there are legal consequences, it's obviously very different.</p>

<p>Maybe he should have thought about that before he signed the little line and then forged two recs on behalf of innocent teachers. ;)</p>

<p>"Are you serious? You're just not in touch with reality.</p>

<p>1) You are clearly the one who is out of touch. See, there? We can both do it. </p>

<p>2) If I'm out of touch, the OP shouldn't follow my advice. But he did. Is he out of touch too? Plus, what relevance does this have to whether my beliefs on this issue are correct or not?</p>

<p>Newjack, let me tell you something that you probably don't want to hear:</p>

<p>You don't know me. Your blatant assumptions that are both offensive and unsupported just make you look foolish. They reflect even more badly on you because you are so self-righteous and hypocritical. I never claimed that I was perfect, or even morally righteous (I did, however, say that I had never cheated) to a comparative or superlative degree. You assigned that mindset to me yourself. It's not true, and, because it is not, only reveals the fact that you are unable to discuss issues and then turn to ad hominem attacks and irrelevant insults.</p>

<p>You need to learn when to stop, and you need to at least be consistent with your viewpoints. Don't charge others with your own crimes, for one. I think zzzboy brought up the hypocrisy of a cheater turning in the forger. I would suggest that you think about your own problems before accusing others and making that are incredibly insulting. Really reflect on what you believe, and then follow it. If you were already, your responses would be far different.</p>

<p>Thanks for letting me know how judgement, closed-minded, and ignorant you are. ;)</p>

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<p>Pretty much the response I expected.</p>

<p>I am being serious though. I had to adopt a condescending tone towards you only because you were using a condescending tone towards other posters.</p>

<p>No. This wasn't about righting a wrong. It was about teaching a lesson. And judging by the fact that you have become flustered and clearly dislike being treated the way you have been treating other posters in this thread I have to say I have been successful.</p>

<p>Anyway, have a good night and no hard feelings. :)</p>

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Okay, so Yale finds out and he gets rescinded. Assuming that he doesn't get jailed, he can attend a community college. Many people transfer into very good schools after two years. In the event that there are legal consequences, it's obviously very different.

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<p>This though actually bothers me. Do you not realize that this kid could do something serious like take his own life, shootup the school, etc. because of something like this? That's why I and many others have been questioning what there is to gain from reporting him now.</p>

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<p>"I am being serious though."</p>

<p>Oh, I know. Again, that reflects more on you than it does on me. ;)</p>

<p>"I had to adopt a condescending tone towards you only because you were using a condescending tone towards other posters."</p>

<p>You adopted the condescending tone towards everyone who disagreed with you soon after you started posting in this thread. All this does is prove my statement that you are a pompous, self-righteous arse.</p>

<p>"No. This wasn't about righting a wrong."</p>

<p>You're right. I hope it had a purpose.</p>

<p>"It was about teaching a lesson."</p>

<p>It's interesting that you're so inclined to give them when you don't want the OP to do the same. Again, hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy. Do you read what you type?</p>

<p>"And judging by the fact that you have become flustered and clearly dislike being treated the way you have been"</p>

<p>I haven't become flustered at all. My posting habits have been entirely consistent through the thread, after I started getting into this discussion. Any difference you see is either fabricated or illusory. Please do not delude yourself into thinking you have accomplished anything except a display of your arrogance.</p>

<p>"you have been treating other posters in this thread I have to say I have been successful."</p>

<p>Why don't you let them speak for themselves?</p>

<p>"Anyway, have a good night and no hard feelings."</p>

<p>Good night. I hope that you will one day take what I said to heart, because I think it rings true in many ways. No hard feelings. :) I enjoyed your post, especially because it almost seemed as if you thought it was your place to criticize me in a most irrelevant manner. Much like you think it's the OP's place to correct the behavior of his friend, rather, nemesis.</p>

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<p>Baelor:</p>

<p>HAHAHAHA!</p>

<p>You just said...</p>

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You adopted the condescending tone towards everyone who disagreed with you soon after you started posting in this thread. All this does is prove my statement that you are a pompous, self-righteous ----.

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<p>Yet you fail to realize I was mimicking you're behavior! If that's the impression you got from my posts then good because now you know how you were coming across in your posts. Also, I am glad that you agree with the advice I gave you.</p>

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<p>just let it go...its already done with...u dont even know for sure and your just extremely jealous... dont ruin his life</p>

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<p>Ok people, Im just going to remind you guys to keep it civil. Discussing and arguing viewpoint is fine since if we only have 1-side of looking at thing this would be a boring world. Lets keep away with the personal attacks. I respect laxi and baelor despite our difference in this topic. If more people have such high moral standard I would say this would be a better world, but everyone know thats impossible. Some people are less insulted by the cheater as others are. Some people feel sorry for the result that would happen to what happened to the yale student. Other people don't think its a big deal. Some people also think that the OP shouldn't do it because he hated that guy(the right thing if done through the wrong method and reason could be considered wrong). Some people think its the worst cirm ever happened.</p>

<p>let me present you with 2 other situation baelor and tell me what you think and how similiar they are to this situation:</p>

<p>first: This happened to me. I forgot to get my field trip permission slip signed. So i signed it by myself. Yes this is technically forging. But I thought this technically cause no harm. This is actually what I mean before when I said sometimes crimes are similiar yet the difference of how wrong it is. What do you think?</p>

<p>seocnd: I remember reading either on this forum or another site. A girl who made a mistake on the year that she attended like vietnmaese or chinese or some kind of Language class. I think instead of 8th/9th grade she put 9/10 grade. She took stil ltook two year of language but for UC schools they only count accomplishment from 9-12 grade. Do you think she should suffer the same punishment as this guy? To most schools, both count as lying.</p>

<p>We all know everyone let lesser crimes go. No one here porbably ever reported a jaywalker or a litterer to the police. If we try to spot and correct every wrong, its just impossible. Seriousily. if I walk outside right now and go to the street. I bet I can spot people using cellphones in cars. But do we repot them? No, because sometimes we can overlook stuff.</p>

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<p>@ laxtaxi</p>

<p>dgaf = dont give a *****.</p>

<p>DGAF is pretty much how i would feel if i knew someone that forged recs.</p>

<p>just as i would never report underage drinking, i would never report this forgery (OMFG a CRIME! i MUST report it!).</p>

<p>DGAF DGAF DGAF DGAF DGAF</p>

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<p>Think for a second how that applies to both of you.</p>

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<p>zzzboy - thanks for the dgaf clarification, I've learned something new today and it's not even 6:30 am yet.</p>

<p>xbankx - I'll respond to your hypotheticals. After pages of personal attacks it's refreshing. Altering the facts to see if you can move the other side seems fair. I did the same with the hypothetical about walking past the old lady getting beat up in the park. I was able to get you, zzzboy, gauloisien and others to admit that sometimes it's appropriate to intervene. Here, you're about to get me to admit that sometimes I wouldn't intervene even if a "wrong" has been committed. So I think we can agree that there are "wrongs" worth reporting and others worth passing by. Discovering the position of that dividing line is where the fun lives.</p>

<p>Regarding the forged permission slip, if I were a classmate of yours, I wouldn't say anything. I can't think of any reason why, as a classmate, would care. The problem exists between you and your parents only. </p>

<p>Regarding the "grade shift" of the applicant saying that she did an activity for 9/10 when in fact it was 8/9, I would let it go. Big differences between this hypothetical and OP's reality, though. (1) Yalecheater didn't make a mistake, he forged the recs deliberately. In your hypothetical it appears it was an accident (2) In your hypothetical, the only person affected at your school is the applicant. In Yalecheater's case, he deliberately involved the teachers by forging their recommendations and signing their names.</p>

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<p>Laxtaxi, its still 3:55. What are you talking about...</p>

<p>;)</p>

<p>Edit: Lel, the forum clock is off by five minutes.</p>

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<p>wow, i've just come home from a day of work (i'm an international if you're wondering why) and it turns out that no one could just sit it out and wait for an update. put your egos down for a moment, would you?</p>

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first: This happened to me. I forgot to get my field trip permission slip signed. So i signed it by myself. Yes this is technically forging. But I thought this technically cause no harm. This is actually what I mean before when I said sometimes crimes are similiar yet the difference of how wrong it is. What do you think?

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<p>I think I wouldn't have done anything wrong by reporting you. I might gain a bad rep for being a tightass, but am I wrong? No!</p>

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seocnd: I remember reading either on this forum or another site. A girl who made a mistake on the year that she attended like vietnmaese or chinese or some kind of Language class. I think instead of 8th/9th grade she put 9/10 grade. She took stil ltook two year of language but for UC schools they only count accomplishment from 9-12 grade. Do you think she should suffer the same punishment as this guy? To most schools, both count as lying.

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<p>I couldn't care less about the punishment; it's entirely none of my business. I don't give the punishments.</p>

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We all know everyone let lesser crimes go. No one here porbably ever reported a jaywalker or a litterer to the police. If we try to spot and correct every wrong, its just impossible.

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<li>Is it right just because "everyone lets lesser crimes go"?</li>
<li>Even if it's impossible to correct every wrong, do you not do so when you see one?</li>
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Seriousily. if I walk outside right now and go to the street. I bet I can spot people using cellphones in cars. But do we repot them? No, because sometimes we can overlook stuff.

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<p>Please take the "we" out of your statement. Maybe you don't report them, but that doesn't mean you were right. And even if I did take down the license number and report the driver, what wrong have I done?</p>

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<p>Dont tell on him, whats done is done. He will definitely get busted later for something else, like what was said earlier, let karma catch up to him. Don't be the one to ruin his life... things will sort themselves out. They always do with cheaters. I am willing to bet money that this kid will cheat again in the future, and that he may not be so fortunate as to fool his target.</p>