<p>Dont tell on him, whats done is done. He will definitely get busted later for something else, like what was said earlier, let karma catch up to him. Don't be the one to ruin his life... things will sort themselves out. They always do with cheaters. I am willing to bet money that this kid will cheat again in the future, and that he may not be so fortunate as to fool his target</p>
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Dont tell on him, whats done is done. He will definitely get busted later for something else, like what was said earlier, let karma catch up to him. Don't be the one to ruin his life... things will sort themselves out. They always do with cheaters. I am willing to bet money that this kid will cheat again in the future, and that he may not be so fortunate as to fool his target
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<p>He may actually be fortunate enough to cheat his way through life unscathed if everyone thinks the way you do.</p>
<p>Screwitlah, seriously I never said you would do anything wrong for taken down the liscense plate. But do you do it? Lets be real. When you drive or just sit in the car, do you ever just take out a piece of paper and copy down all liscense plate of people who use cellphones while driving? If you do then I applaud you for your effort to keep our street safer. If you don't then I made my point that people do let wrongdoings go if they determine its not signicant.(im not saying that you should let this event go but I just want to make the point that not all wrongs are signicant enough to be reported)</p>
<p>And Laxi: the grade sihft event was real i think, it was posted here like 3-5 month ago. I saw it and thought about it but didn't bother replying. I guess there is a huge difference between deliberatly and actively, Ill give you that.</p>
<p>"Dont tell on him, whats done is done. He will definitely get busted later for something else, like what was said earlier, let karma catch up to him. Don't be the one to ruin his life."</p>
<p>The person who "ruined his life" would be the guy who forged the teacher reccs.</p>
<p>Actually, by turning him in, the OP may be inspiring the guy to turn his life around, which could be saving the guy from worse problems brought on by his lack of ethics. There's more forgiveness in the world for an 18-year-old who screws up than for a 30-year-old.</p>
<p>Even if the guy's Yale acceptance is rescinded, his life isn't ruined.</p>
<p>"Yet you fail to realize I was mimicking you're behavior! If that's the impression you got from my posts then good because now you know how you were coming across in your posts. Also, I am glad that you agree with the advice I gave you."</p>
<p>You explicitly said more than once you are mimicking me. How would I miss this? </p>
<p>"What do you think?"</p>
<p>You were wrong to forge the signature. Next?</p>
<p>"Do you think she should suffer the same punishment as this guy? To most schools, both count as lying."</p>
<p>Did she make a mistake or not? Was it intentional? The motivations matter for her.</p>
<p>rofl... let other people make their own mistakes. its something hell have to live with for the rest of his life. who are you to play God.</p>
<p>"rofl... let other people make their own mistakes. its something hell have to live with for the rest of his life. who are you to play God."</p>
<p>He's not playing God. No one would be playing God.</p>
<p>What I menat baelor is would you do anything in that case if you found out that someone forged their parent's signature to go on a fieldtrip using my case as an example.</p>
<p>Also I am not sure if it was intentional or not, becuase I am not the person. But from her post I think she said she did it on accident. I'm too lazy to search it up with this slow interent at my grandparent's place.</p>
<p>"What I menat baelor is would you do anything in that case if you found out that someone forged their parent's signature to go on a fieldtrip using my case as an example."</p>
<p>When you explain how this situation is the exact same as the one discussed by the OP, I'll respond. Until then, this is a complete irrelevancy.</p>
<p>"Also I am not sure if it was intentional or not, becuase I am not the person. But from her post I think she said she did it on accident. I'm too lazy to search it up with this slow interent at my grandparent's place."</p>
<p>I already explained that intentions matter. That should answer your question.</p>
<p>"When you explain how this situation is the exact same as the one discussed by the OP, I'll respond. Until then, this is a complete irrelevancy."</p>
<p>Both contain forgery, both had one side gaining something. Mine was the ability to go the field trip; his was to get into yale/</p>
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<p>But this guy has the evidence, or at least is giving the people who do the opportunity to use it. It's something concrete. Why on earth wouldn't he report it, even if it wasn't the worst thing someone could do in his opinion?</p>
<p>The relevance of the contract is that this kid didn't only forge recs, he completely broke a contract to which he agreed. Yale accepted an applicant who did not represent himself accurately to them. It's not fair to the school not to know about the breach of contract when it's relevant to their decisions. If you don't think breaking a contract is important, how can your word ever be trusted? How can anyone's? The contract isn't divine, but it is completely relevant for assessing honesty. In addition, there is no time limit. Yale would STILL want to know about the incident, even now. And they deserve to know who is coming into their school, just like the poor teachers deserve to know that their names are being used in a completely inappropriate and perhaps illegal manner.
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<p>According to what you said in this post, you would report xbankx for forging his or her permission slip.</p>
<p>"Both contain forgery, both had one side gaining something. Mine was the ability to go the field trip; his was to get into yale."</p>
<p>They are completely different. The consequences, implications, and people involved in the two scenarios are not the same at all. Are all cases of theft the same? All cases of any crime, for that matter? No. They are incomparable.</p>
<p>"According to what you said in this post, you would report xbankx for forging his or her permission slip."</p>
<p>I've never run into this situation; my school doesn't have anything that parents would need to sign. I don't see why a student wouldn't just get the signature. If he forgot, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to turn it in the next day. I don't see how this situation would ever come up. So I don't know what I would do. Nor do I see how it's relevant to the OP's situation.</p>
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<p>There's no way this is true. You're saying that throughout your whole entire academic career your school has never requested your parents consent to do things like use photographs of you in school publications, give you aspirin if you have a headache, take you on a field trip, ensure that you and your parents are aware of the school's discipline policy, allow you to participate in science lab or a team sport, etc., right?</p>
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<p>Because there are deadlines...
Also, in case you didn't know this either you can't go on the field trip and then turn in the permission slip later. You have have to have parental consent before you go not after.</p>
<p>Are you homeschooled or something?</p>
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I've never run into this situation; my school doesn't have anything that parents would need to sign. I don't see why a student wouldn't just get the signature. If he forgot, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to turn it in the next day. I don't see how this situation would ever come up. So I don't know what I would do. Nor do I see how it's relevant to the OP's situation.
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<p>I think you just shot yourself in the foot...</p>
<p>You just said the reason why you can't say whether you would turn in xbankx for forging his or her permission slip is because you haven't experienced such a situation.</p>
<p>Well, have you been in the OP's or his friend's position before?</p>
<p>He already emailed the teachers. Why is this thread still alive?</p>
<p>Sorry, i realize that "ruin his life" is an exaggeration but why meddle with someone who has done no apparent wrong to you? Though it would be the "right" thing to tell on him, why does it have to be the OP? I'm sure the cheater will learn to deal with reality, but the OP has no obligation to be the one to bring him to his senses. I am neither for or against turning this fellow in.</p>
<p>Northstarmom- when i said " ruin his life" i mean, picture this, a hardworking student ( I mean, come on, if this kid got accepted to Yale, he must have definitely had some worthy statistics that he could not have lied about, such as test scores, gpa, and of course essays) and lets say he was tempted to write his own teacher recs in order to secure his place at Yale. I completely agree that this was a wrong decision/act. Okay, so once he's received his acceptance letter, he celebrates, his family is proud, friends and teachers proud. He is happy, relaxed, and off guard. A friend asks him for help on teacher recs, he stylishly replies " oh i faked them" just to seem cool and he sees no harm in saying so since he feels this is a friend he is addressing the statement to. The friend cant stop thinking that this semi-role model and inspirational student has done such a thing. He even goes as far as to post the scenario on the internet (CC). For me, it is not hard to imagine the OP being jealous of his classmate. So, overall this kid sounds like he must have been a very good kid, but he sure has his flaws in decision making. Now its about a week or two before college starts, the kid is excited and ready for a new life, imagine how he would react when he finds out he just got kicked out of Yale a week before he was supposed to go there? Now maybe this is just my view, but cheaters when cornered will do drastic things. Most likely, the boy would be devastated, suck up his pride and go to community college, which is a big difference from the college experience he had expected. Is this what the kid deserves? Keep in mind that he worked very hard, and probably would have gotten good recs without cheating, does he deserve this completely degrading (from yale to mott) transition. Sure he asked for it, and brought it upon himself. There is a fine line between whats ok and whats not. The rules are pretty much engraved in stone yet he decided to cheat. Just think about it, it all sounds a little too harsh, right?</p>
<p>Overall, I feel the OP shouldnt meddle in the business of another student. This other student WILL learn his lesson in due time. Why should the OP risk his reputation just to get this other student rejected from Yale? It will just bring the temporary satisfaction of seeing someone high and mighty fall. Let it go.</p>
<p>I think emailing his teachers is an acceptable choice-</p>
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<li>It transfers the OPs burden of the situation to the teachers</li>
<li>The OP will have felt he has done justice</li>
<li>The teachers may choose to tell Yale, or if they really liked the student and are laid back, they wouldn't really care to tell.</li>
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<p>Thus the decision is up to the ones whose names and credibility were used without their consent.</p>
<p>"if they really liked the student and are laid back, they wouldn't really care to tell."</p>
<p>I highly doubt there are any teachers who like any student so much and are so laid back that they wouldn't care that a student had forged their name on a letter of recommendation. While there are teachers so lazy that they will sign letters of recommendation that they themselves asked the students to write, I don't think there are teachers who'd tolerate any student's doing this behind their back. If the teachers liked the student a lot, I would bet that instead of forging recommendation letters, the student would have asked the teachers to write the letters of recommendation.</p>
<p>" This other student WILL learn his lesson in due time. "</p>
<p>There are some people who manage to cheat throughout their lives, and they don't learn their lesson even after prison terms and public humiliation.</p>
<p>This whole "he'll learn his lesson in due time" and karma crap is ignorant. If you think the OP should ignore the forgery because it's "not his business" or "he'll get it in the future," think about the next time the person does something similar and no one says anything because "it'll come back to bite him," and the next time after that, and the next time after that...</p>
<p>the other teachers wrote them...but apparently he didn't waive his right to read it. So whatever they wrote he saw, and he himself mailed it out(so they told me)</p>
<p>You can fill in the blanks. the teachers are going to ask Yale to compare the letters sent with what they wrote.</p>