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OP, if you're such a CC fanatic, search this site and you will find plenty of discussion on the merits (or lack of) of AA. Starting another thread will not change your mind or anyone else's.
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<p>Yeah, everyone should know by now that affirmative action threads get merged into the main FAQ thread on ethnic self-identification in college applications, by repeated CC participant request on several forums.</p>
<p>I completely agree with you CC Fanatic. I feel that disadvantaged vietnamese, poor koreans, and other socio-economically disadvantaged asians face the brunt of it- getting compared to their wealthier counterparts. I also feel that wealthy blacks and hispanics shouldn't get that advantage over poor whites or blacks,etc. And if the whole point of this, aside from providing more opportunities to minorites( of which we've already discussed the potholes/blaring errors), is to promote diversity and a racially, culturally diverse class- well, how do you measure culture? How do you define culture? I know a white girl who is absolutely infatuated with her Irish heritage and a hispanic girl whose parents are wealthy businessmen-I can speak spanish better than her and she has absolutely no link or tie to her mexican traditions. And yet, she will get the leg up when it comes to college admissions. I think while the intent of AA is noble, it has come about completely wrong- AA should be judged on socio-economic status, NOT race. And by complying with racial distinctions, this practice just further fuels and cements racial tensions.</p>
<p>Scared, there is a lot of unfairness in college admissions. It is also unfair that someone whose parents happened to go to the school, or work for the school get a leg up. It is unfair that someone who is 6'7" and 300 lbs is given a huge boost because of a sport, when he would not come close to the academic mins of a school otherwise. It is not fair that females have an advantage over males when the school is 65% male and vice versa. It isn't fair that someone who has an interesting background and hobbies because of family situations should have an advantage. ETc, etc. The cultural diversity that is wanted is unfair. I agree. But it is there, it is desired, and the way to get this diversity is to highlight those who can bring such diversity and view their app in light of this.</p>
<p>As for admissions, each college gets to set its own policies. A college can even prefer students who play the bagpipe if the college wants. Most state universities strongly prefer in-state students, some by statute. Don't worry about it. Just apply to the colleges that interest you, and ALWAYS apply to a sure-bet "safety" college to guarantee you'll have somewhere to go.</p>
<p>Bump - does anybody know?</p>
<p>As a white girl in a rich part of the country i am in no way an applicant for affirmative action. However, could it hurt my chances to indicate that i am infact the majority? could it help? </p>
<p>im applying to all SUNY schools which are somewhat diverse with my top choices being majority white with a heavy asian desnity and a decent sized hispanic and african heritage population.</p>
<p>By not indicating a race, you're ASSUMED to be majority. No boost, no penalty. Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>do you think indicating race would hurt me at all? plenty of my schools boast about having diversity</p>
<p>no it won't hurt you anymore than not being a recruited athlete or not being a legacy hurts you.</p>
<p>Well, since universities that practice holistic admissions do not, in fact, have a separate "pool" for minority applications, you would be viewed as black and asian. If you show that that has somehow influenced you and you would bring something to the school's diversity, than you will likely receive every bit of a boost if not more than someone who was just black.</p>
<p>What about if I'm fully Asian but have two distinct races?</p>
<p>I'm half Malaysian/half Pakistani - will that help me somewhat in terms of diversity?</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "Mixed race on Common App?" THREAD: </p>
<p>The CC search function is your friend. This thread will be merged with the FAQ thread that answers the question.</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "To expose race or not to expose race?" THREAD: </p>
<p>This thread will be merged with the FAQ thread on the subject, which was only a page or two down on the forum's list of threads when the new thread was opened. I'm curious whether College Confidential participants all know about the forum search function (near the top and to the right on almost all College Confidential forum pages), because a search on the word "race" will reliably lead to the FAQ thread.</p>
<p>By way of review for readers new to the thread, here is a list of colleges with large percentages of enrolled students reported to the federal government as "race unknown." Here are some selective colleges with high percentages of students reported as "race unknown." </p>
<p>(22 percent at Case Western) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Case Western Reserve University - Case - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Cornell) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Cornell University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at William and Mary) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - College of William and Mary - CWM - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Brandeis) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Brandeis University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(20 percent at Amherst College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Amherst College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Princeton) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Princeton University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Reed College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Reed College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(16 percent at Chicago) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Chicago - Chicago - At a Glance </p>
<p>(15 percent at Penn) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - At a Glance </p>
<p>(14 percent at Pomona) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Pomona College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Harvard) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Harvard College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Brown) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Brown University - Brown - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Vanderbilt) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Vanderbilt University - Vandy - At a Glance </p>
<p>(12 percent at Carnegie Mellon) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Carnegie Mellon University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(11 percent at Yale) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Yale University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(11 percent at Columbia) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Columbia University - Columbia - At a Glance </p>
<p>(10 percent at NYU) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - New York University - NYU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(10 percent at Agnes Scott) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Agnes Scott College - ASC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(9 percent at Whitman) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Whitman College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(8 percent at Washington U in St. Louis) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Washington University in St. Louis - Washington U. - At a Glance </p>
<p>(7 percent at Berkeley) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of California: Berkeley - Cal - At a Glance </p>
<p>(6 percent at MIT) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT - At a Glance </p>
<p>(6 percent at Virginia) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Virginia - UVA - At a Glance </p>
<p>And here are some other colleges: </p>
<p>(59 percent at Savannah College of Art and Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Savannah College of Art and Design - SCAD - At a Glance </p>
<p>(35 percent at Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley - At a Glance </p>
<p>(28 percent at Rhode Island School of Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Rhode Island School of Design - RISD - At a Glance </p>
<p>(27 percent at Champlain College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Champlain College - CC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(26 percent at George Mason) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - George Mason University - Mason - At a Glance </p>
<p>(24 percent at Lansing Community College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Lansing Community College - LCC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(23 percent at Hartwick College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Hartwick College - The Wick - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Lynn University) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Lynn University - LU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(20 percent at SUNY Stony Brook) </p>
<p>(20 percent at New York School of Interior Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - New York School of Interior Design - NYSID - At a Glance </p>
<p>(19 percent at Eugene Lang College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Eugene Lang College The New School for Liberal Arts - Lang - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at SUNY Albany) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - State University of New York at Albany - UAlbany - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Fashion Institute of Technology) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Fashion Institute of Technology - FIT - At a Glance </p>
<p>(17 percent at Northeastern) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Northeastern University - NU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(17 percent at Whittier College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Whittier College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Tuskegee) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Tuskegee University - TU - At a Glance</p>
<p>I'm Egyptian, and I've usually put other and then Arab/Middle-Eastern, but I've had people tell me I should put Caucasian, some tell me African/African-American, and some tell me Asian!</p>
<p>My parents are both Egyptian and I was born in the United States, if that would help anybody answer my question</p>
<p>Argh???!!!!</p>
<p>Please share your thoughts on this...it's been bugging me for such a long time!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>The US defines Middle Eastern as Caucasian. So you would put that.</p>
<p>Most college applications specifically say "Caucasian" and then next to it says Middle-Eastern...but it's more for the colleges that don't really specify what to put Middle-Eastern under that I start to freak out</p>
<p>Maybe write it on the "other" option if they don't have a middle-eastern option? I don't really know. That's wierd that they wouldn't have it.</p>
<p>See the thread-opening post in this FAQ thread for answers to some of the questions that have come up in recent threads that were merged in here. A FAQ thread is to answer frequently asked questions, and there are a lot of frequently asked questions coming up about these issues in this forum just now.</p>
<p>to the Ivy Leauge.</p>